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Topic: Less Well Known Great Players IYHO

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bayareabadger

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Re: Less Well Known Great Players IYHO
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 02:48:08 PM »
Wisconsin’s Brandon Williams? He was very good, could argue great. 

He was the biggest, but he could just go with the ball in his hands. He’s 16th in conference history in yards, 12th in catches and only had so-so QB play as a junior and freshman (and worked behind Lee Evans as a junior)

Also liked Nick Hayden, a very good DT.

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Re: Less Well Known Great Players IYHO
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2018, 02:56:36 PM »
Some great stories, and one sad one.

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2018, 02:57:01 PM »
how about Roger Craig at Nebraska overshadowed by Mike Rozier?

Craig's numbers his soph season were outstanding, but then Rozier showed up and Osborne had to figure out how to get them both on the field.  Roger played some fullback, and set the stage for Rozier's Heisman campaign.

Craig's NFL career turned out a bit better than Rozier's.
Per the norm... you come up with something better.  Well done.

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2018, 03:36:58 PM »
For Florida, in my viewing lifetime, there was a good QB and 2 WRs that were between the Wuerffel era and Grossman success.
Wuerffel, of course, had Anthony and Hilliard - both 1st round WRs.  The slot guy was Jacquez Green, a 2nd-rounder, I believe, who had a big year when he was THE man the following season.  But that next year, a sort of in-between year for the Gators, a WR set the SEC single-season yardage record in 1998: Travis McGriff.  Little white guy, was mostly on the team because he was a legacy.  But he was fast and produced as THE guy unexpectedly.

The year after that, Darrell Jackson had a 1,000 yard season.  Travis Taylor, a future 1st-round pick was more ballyhooed, but had injuries.  I feel like McGriff and Jackson are forgotten guys.  And throwing passes to them was Doug Johnson.  He was no Wuerffel, but who is?  He only was entrenched as the starting QB for one year.  He famously was switched out nearly every play vs #1 FSU in '97.  He shared time with Jesse Palmer after that.  But when his time at UF was over - here's a fun stat:  Johnson would've ranked first or second at every other SEC school in career TD passes.  He was underappreciated by Gators fans.  He was the QB for my HS when I was a sophomore as well.  He wasn't a great guy, but he was better at UF than people give him credit for, mainly because he followed Wuerffel.
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Re: Less Well Known Great Players IYHO
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2018, 03:47:02 PM »
Leroy Keyes.

RB for Purdue, overshadowed by Bob Griese as they played together for Keyes' Fr/So years which were Griese's Jr/Sr. He then played with Mike Phipps, another notable name at QB in Purdue history. Along with Griese, led Purdue to a win over USC in the 1967 Rose Bowl. All-american in both 1967 and 1968. Finished 2nd in Heisman voting in 1968 after Griese graduated.

Purdue might be the "Cradle of Quarterbacks", but Keyes certainly was a hell of a running back. 

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Re: Less Well Known Great Players IYHO
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2018, 04:42:08 PM »
this is one of those players lost to injury, but bama's 1999 mlb marvin constant.

tore his knee up on final play of lsu game, stopping lsu qb josh booty inches away from scoring on a last second goal line stand. never played again.

he was all-sec freshman team that year, and up until his injury lead the team in tackles. had 17 tackles vs tenn. had a very bright career ahead of him.

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Re: Less Well Known Great Players IYHO
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2018, 04:52:39 PM »
this is one of those players lost to injury, but bama's 1999 mlb marvin constant.

tore his knee up on final play of lsu game, stopping lsu qb josh booty inches away from scoring on a last second goal line stand. never played again.

he was all-sec freshman team that year, and up until his injury lead the team in tackles. had 17 tackles vs tenn. had a very bright career ahead of him.
I actually remember that, wasn't it somewhat controversial that LSU didn't get another play specifically because of his injury?  That there were like 5 seconds left when the play ended, and while there's no way LSU could have gotten another snap off, the refs also didn't stop the clock for the injury?

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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2018, 04:55:10 PM »
Per the norm... you come up with something better.  Well done.
well, Dubose isn't chopped liver.  He was much better than Jeff Smith, who started in front of Doug in 84.  Jeff made a great play in the Ornage bowl after Rozier was injured, but dropped the 2-point conversion attempt.
I knew Jeff a little bit.  Jeff was a roommate in the dorm with an Iowa farm boy that my brother and I know.  My brother and this Iowa guy car pooled back and forth to UNL and I still talk to him to this day.  Lives about 20 miles from me.
I just remember Jeff Smith as a huge Dallas Cowboy and Tony Dorsett fan.  Jeff thought of himself as the next Mike Rozier and NFL superstar.  Jeff was a fine I-back, but he was no Dubose.  And many Husker fans wouldn't remember Dubose.
I also think the QB Steve Taylor at Nebraska, outstanding stats and some huge performances.  He just couldn't win the big games to get the recognition.  
1986 lost to the Sooner magic comeback and to Colorado in that huge upset.
1987 lost to the Sooners in the #1vs#2 game and then Florida St in Tempe.  Only losses to the Final poll #2 and #3 teams.
1988 lost to UCLA and Aikman in Pasadena and then the 23-3 beat down in the Orange Bowl to Steve Walsh and the Canes.
Poor guy started 3 seasons, lost 6 dern tough games, but is not remembered as great.  He was similar to Turner Gill as runner and passer.
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Re: Less Well Known Great Players IYHO
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2018, 05:08:27 PM »
I actually remember that, wasn't it somewhat controversial that LSU didn't get another play specifically because of his injury?  That there were like 5 seconds left when the play ended, and while there's no way LSU could have gotten another snap off, the refs also didn't stop the clock for the injury?
maybe, i don't remember that. but watching the video (~21:20 mark) it could have been. there was about :10 left when booty went down. imo, (homer call, i know) it's the right call to let it go. the refs were hustling back to place ball (can see it in video) but lsu players weren't ready at all, not even close. and even if they were hustling, it'd have been really close to running out anyway.

i do remember the play right before, they had basically a free time out from another bama injury, allowing them to huddle and call a goal line play without a time out. they didn't utilize it very well. here's a good write up about it from about 10 years ago. also looks like we upheld the time honored bama tradition of choking game clinching fg's late in games.

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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2018, 05:54:19 PM »
I thought of another WVU player who fits this description.  Avon Cobourne.  Four year starter at RB from 1999-2002.  Rushed for 5,164 yards in his career.  Best in WVU and Big East history.  When he graduated he was the 9th most prolific rusher in NCAA I-A history.  He’s still tied for 15th.

He did this playing in two very different offenses.  He spent two seasons in Nehlen’s I formation, follow the FB through the hole, drive blocking scheme and two seasons in Rod’s spread, zone blocking scheme.  Not everyone can do that.  He rushed for over 1000 yards all four seasons here.

Had a brief stint with the Lions before enjoying a nice career in the CFL.  He wasn’t Bo or Herschel but he had a college career 95% of kids would kill to have.

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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2018, 06:46:49 PM »
Does anyone remember Max Knake?  QB for TCU, back when it was in the WAC probably.  I remember opening the  '94 or '95 Athlon preseason mag and that guy was their pick as preseason All-American.  Over Manning.  Over Wuerffel.  Over everyone.

I opened it up and was like "WHO?!?"  
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