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Big Beef Tacosupreme

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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2019, 07:47:00 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on August 13, 2019, 09:12:26 AM
Not time given on the Nitts'
No time or other indication given on the Nitts' schedule.

https://gopsusports.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=516
Yeah, it was announced back in April.  Feel free to Google it.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2019, 08:06:18 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 12, 2019, 07:14:12 PM
If I recall, you are a Michigan fan, so I will put this in a Michigan context.

As far as coaching hot seats go, Franklin's seat is practically frozen compared to Harbaugh.  I think most Michigan fans are happy with Harbaugh.

Franklin is well liked by most people associated with PSU.
If Franklin can average 10 wins, he can stay at his job until retirement. Same with Harbaugh. But I only think one of these can pull it off. That's the one who's already averaging that. The one whose season average is between 8-12 and 9-13 is the one who was fortunate to delay his firing with a hail mary OC hire ... which worked out in the realm of best case scenario, until he was hired away ... and now this coach is yet to equally replace him.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2019, 08:24:51 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 13, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
If Franklin can average 10 wins, he can stay at his job until retirement. Same with Harbaugh. But I only think one of these can pull it off. IMO, the one who can't is the one who deftly delayed his firing with a hail mary OC hire ... which worked out in the realm of best case scenario, until he was hired away ... and now this coach is yet to equally replace him.
You really think that Franklin's job was at risk?  Because you'd probably be the only person I've ever met that feels that way.  Granted, there's always a random internet tough guy that thinks Franklin could have taken a team with like 2 scholarship O-Lineman and win the B1G.  But the majority of fans knew it was going to be a few years.  Most of us were shocked it only took 3 years, to be frank. 

JoMo was pretty good, but so was the talent that Franklin brought in. 

Most of the people I have talked to would be happy with 9 wins this year.  Tough schedule, young team, new QB. 

Penn State isn't as spoiled as you might think.  We had the dark years from 2000-2004, and then the sanction years.  If you read my post above, you would see those sanctions STILL had an effect on PSU's depth all the way through 2018. 

Should be a good season, I have about 45 days left until I start my heavy travel season.  I hope to post more until that happens!
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2019, 08:31:34 PM »
If Franklin ever accomplishes one 10-win season without Joe Moorhead, he'll have done it for the first time. And I think it's a fair bet whether he'd still have his job if he didn't have the two 10-win seasons with Joe Moorhead.

In a hurry, yes, Franklin has to prove that this pattern isn't meaningful. Would bet he lasts 2-3 years max if none of them are 10-win regular seasons. And that's still just one 10-win season to stave off a fast firing, not the frequency it takes to average that and stave off all firings.

I think BO'B was the long-term coach PSU doesn't know it should wish it had.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2019, 08:40:40 PM »
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2019, 03:49:33 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 13, 2019, 08:31:34 PM
If Franklin ever accomplishes one 10-win season without Joe Moorhead, he'll have done it for the first time. And I think it's a fair bet whether he'd still have his job if he didn't have the two 10-win seasons with Joe Moorhead.

In a hurry, yes, Franklin has to prove that this pattern isn't meaningful. Would bet he lasts 2-3 years max if none of them are 10-win regular seasons. And that's still just one 10-win season to stave off a fast firing, not the frequency it takes to average that and stave off all firings.

I think BO'B was the long-term coach PSU doesn't know it should wish it had.
Bill O'Brien was an amazing x and o's coach.  However, he hated recruiting.  PSU fans love the guy for all that he did, but he was never going to stay at PSU if an NFL coaching job opened up.

I don't know how I can be any more clear.  Franklin's job was NEVER in jeopardy.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2019, 04:03:14 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 14, 2019, 03:49:33 PM
I don't know how I can be any more clear.  Franklin's job was NEVER in jeopardy.
I agree a good coach utilizes what's at his disposal.Franklin won a BIG Conference Title in 3 years.That right there buys him some time and he's a good recruiter in a talent rich state
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2019, 04:58:07 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 04:03:14 PM
I agree a good coach utilizes what's at his disposal.Franklin won a BIG Conference Title in 3 years.That right there buys him some time and he's a good recruiter in a talent rich state
Urban would have sucked if all of his players were quadriplegics.  Obviously he gets no credit because they were all able to walk.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2019, 09:40:58 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 14, 2019, 03:49:33 PM
I don't know how I can be any more clear.  Franklin's job was NEVER in jeopardy.
I didn't say that he was ever on the hot seat. I implied that he was "heading there," 2-3 years out, before hiring Moorhead, staved it off with Moorhead, and am implying that he's again "heading there" without Moorhead.

If Frankling had zero 10-win seasons to-date, he'd already be there -- the hot seat. And I'm expecting zero is how many he'd have without Joe Moorhead. Anyway, I don't know how long it will take until Franklin is fired, but I am betting that he won't retire in Happy Valley. Absent another hail mary coaching hire hit like Moorhead, I am skeptical he can do enough to stay.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2019, 09:54:41 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 14, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
I didn't say that he was ever on the hot seat. I implied that he was "heading there," 2-3 years out, before hiring Moorhead, staved it off with Moorhead, and am implying that he's again "heading there" without Moorhead.

If Frankling had zero 10-win seasons to-date, he'd already be there -- the hot seat. And I'm expecting zero is how many he'd have without Joe Moorhead. Anyway, I don't know how long it will take until Franklin is fired, but I am betting that he won't retire in Happy Valley. Absent another hail mary coaching hire hit like Moorhead, I am skeptical he can do enough to stay.
That's kind of what he does...

And Moorhead was good, but Penn State's success has been more than just one man.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2019, 10:01:39 PM »
Moorhead came aboard for the '16-17 seasons.The stalwarts of that offense were recruited by Franklin before Moorhead  got there,McSorley,Barkley,Hamilton,Gesicki,Thomkins,Blacknail,.And Franklin brought Johnson(WR) & Sanders(RB)aboard with Moorhead.The Jimmy/Joe's were Franklins harvest.One can make the argument Moorehead was along for the ride.All those guys are on NFL rosters,save Johnson who's finishing up at Oregon
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2019, 10:42:37 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 14, 2019, 09:54:41 PM
That's kind of what he does...

And Moorhead was good, but Penn State's success has been more than just one man.
Getting ten wins without Moorhead will be doing that for the first time. So Franklin has to start there. Based on longterm fan expectations, he probably also has to (begin to) average a 10-win season. I suppose you are betting these things will happen.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2019, 10:45:20 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 10:01:39 PM
Moorhead came aboard for the '16-17 seasons.The stalwarts of that offense were recruited by Franklin before Moorhead  got there,McSorley,Barkley,Hamilton,Gesicki,Thomkins,Blacknail,.And Franklin brought Johnson(WR) & Sanders(RB)aboard with Moorhead.The Jimmy/Joe's were Franklins harvest.One can make the argument Moorehead was along for the ride
No one has ever said Franklin can't recruit. He's a great recruiter. Not quite to the OSU level and also averaging out below Michigan, but certainly PSU is distinguished as a better recruiting power than any other Big Ten teams.

What I've said is that Franklin has never turned those great recruits into a 10-win season without Moorhead. We can also borrow from a thousand other threads on this board and say that "recruiting is necessary but not sufficient to win big." Highest level recruiting often sputters without highest level coaching.

With PSU, I'm arguing that Moorhead showed us the minimum level of OC quality necessary to make the machine go ... as well as the minimum necessary to overcome Franklin's clock mismanagement and routine in-game gaffes. And then stating that Franklin now has a lower level of OC quality than Moorhead and it's no longer enough. 

I sense resistance to this and am surprised. My PSUCOM friends believe he's in the middle of a painfully slow exit, but perhaps that is a less representative group of Nit fans than I knew. Either way, we have no choice except this: We'll run the next 3 years as our experiment and meet back here to discuss.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2019, 10:57:57 PM »
That's what he's hired for,Moorhead turned around a 6-5 fordham team to 10-1 one season in the patriot league.Nothing else on his resume screams Mike Leach/Bill Walsh.Franklin has still won a BIG Championship.So if/when Michigan under Harbaugh does the same who do we credit?That was a hell of an offensive cast to have.We'll see what Moorhead does with out Mullen's guys
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