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Topic: BBT's Penn State Preview

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MrNubbz

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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #98 on: August 30, 2019, 08:14:04 PM »
You're jumping around a lot. It's hard to get used to. Just following your lead I noticed you couldn't help yourself commenting on my remark to BBTS - you got a response

With where Michigan is as a program, they aren't judged based on OSU anymore. Nor is PSUs HC to be judged by a Michigan fan whose present coach hasn't won a BTC and the coach he's cracking on has.My view of M's defense isn't anymore slanted than anything you've presented in these 7 pages

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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #99 on: August 30, 2019, 09:36:10 PM »
But I still haven't really gotten a response. Because I can't tell if you think Michigan's 2019 defense lost more than the 2017 defense. I can ask nicely. Hey Nubbz, please say what you think on this? It'll be good to understand your point. Because if your point isn't to compare whether 2017 lost more than 2019 but just to say 2019 lost a lot, then we always agreed and this conversation was not worth having.

My point meanwhile has been that 2019 lost a ton. Interestingly, though, 2017 lost even more and still finished in the Top 5. Take that and mix it with the fact that all of Michigan's defenses have been consistently in this range, and it makes a defensive drop out of the Top 15 seem possible (because anything is possible) but also improbable as far as predictions go.

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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #100 on: August 30, 2019, 09:41:45 PM »
Also of course it doesn't matter at all how I (a rando Michigan fan) judge PSU. However, it is quite common for masses of other people to judge PSU on their ability to beat Michigan on the field. As well as how often PSU beats other teams "in their tier," like MSU and UW. And a majority of those people are not me. Heck, significantly less than 50% of them are even Michigan fans. 

This isn't actually about you or me. This is an emotionless fun thing where we try to predict PSU's future with the best arguments we have.

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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #101 on: August 30, 2019, 10:15:49 PM »
What masses?how many of you are in there,Sheez .I hear alot more crap about Harbaugh's income and lack of correlating results.Than the supposed lynch mob headed to Happy Valley.You're putting the cart before the horse and I won't even mention what's in it.I've been telling what I think all along,DB's trajectory is at least the same as JF's at least.I'm not chewing my cud twice.
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« Reply #102 on: August 30, 2019, 10:33:07 PM »
PSU fans, Michigan fans, MSU fans, Wisconsin fans ... very  many Big Ten and national CFB fans evaluate a program like PSU for how well it does against peers. This should not be a worldview-shattering thing for you to read. Very many college football fans likewise evaluate Michigan for how it does against PSU and MSU and ditto on down the line.

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« Reply #103 on: August 30, 2019, 10:39:10 PM »
many evaluate Michigan for how it does against tOSU

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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2019, 10:39:22 PM »
Nubbz, I'm also interested: What cart am I putting before the horse? Is this the Franklin thing or the Michigan defense thing?

If the Franklin thing: yeah, of course I am. That's what it means to make a multi-year guess. 

If it's the Michigan defense thing: I'm confused. You seem to be guaranteeing that Michigan's defense will drop a lot.. That's an example of putting a cart before the horse. And all I've said is "maybe not" and have supported my "maybe not" by pointing out that the defense has lost even more than this (2016) and put together a better defensive national ranking (2017) than what you were predicting for 2019.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #105 on: August 30, 2019, 10:40:50 PM »
many evaluate Michigan for how it does against tOSU
No doubt. And that makes good sense to them because it makes good sense historically. But Michigan's AD (and most of its fans) clearly aren't doing that anymore. It's a trying to be smart and humble thing. Because Michigan is coming from the post-Carr doldrums. And, from that perspective, saying things like "welp, still worse than Alabama" is too pixelated of a view to notice whether there's good progress.

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« Reply #106 on: August 30, 2019, 11:13:45 PM »
Michigan is fortunate as only a few squads will expose that sliding unit.But their offense will be such a bastard that no one will take notice.Franklin isn't going anywhere he'll recruit Pa and the East very well and Harbaugh can't hang his hat on hired guns under center forever.Of course maybe the new immediate portal may work for him at QB as it doesn't appear he's going to develop one.And Brown meh,he did well with Hoke's recruits
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #107 on: August 31, 2019, 02:47:17 AM »
We're friends so it's cool but we should point out the double standard here -- that you're calling it "putting the cart before the horse" when I make my prediction about Franklin but not when you make your prediction about Franklin. Let's make the obvious correction: both are guesses about whether Franklin will last as long as he likes. Both equally put the cart before the horse.

As for this "hired gun" QB thing: I take it you aren't impressed with Dylan McCaffery. You don't need to be, but it's funny that you're confident he can't be special. The coaches and fans like him a lot. He seems to be developing well for a sophomore and looked sharp in tough moments when Shea was injured last year. As an added bonus, he has good speed and instincts as a runner.

Then for Brown doing well with Hoke's recruits. Yes he did. He took Hoke's kids and made them the #1 defense in the country in 2016. That doesn't seem to impress you, either. But it surely isn't a reason to knock the guy. He has also kept the defense at that "Top 5 nationally" level with his and Harbaugh's recruits. I know you've heard of Devin Bush, Rashan Gary, David Long, Lavert Hill, etc., and it's not like Michigan ever stopped recruiting well. 

Whether it's with his guys or his predecessors, Don Brown's record so far makes him the best DC Michigan has had since ... well that's not an easy question but you'd definitely have to go back before 2000 to get the answer. 

Maybe you're just a tough guy to impress.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2019, 08:39:59 AM »
Nothing Harbaugh's developed has been special not that he can't be.Let's cut to the chase - for some half cocked reason you seem to think it's open season on PSU and it's coach.I've responded in kind about M.Everything I've posted here about JH/DB came from.....Michigan Boards.....and some from Mike Valenti.I've pointed out that when Joe Moorehead arrived the talent arrived ahead of him,courtesy of who?.When he got to Miss St Dan Mullen left him the same thing.We'll find out what old Joe is made of in a couple years.Any way you kept harping Franklin didn't do squat w/o Moorehead just the same as JH hasn't done squat w/o QB transfers.A coach utilizises what's at his disposal.So what JF hasn't won the BTC in alsmost 3 years.JH has yet to get there,you can't or don't want to see the irony.And I don't want to hear about DB and statistics 0-6 is the one foisted the most over on MLIVE,Stadium and Main or MGO at the end of last season.I'm beginning to think your henpeck/heresy is just what you want to unfold.Pa is a talent rich state and the HC of it Fagship University can recruit.That's an obstacle to M Football and really the rub isn't it?Let's pick this up after the season
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #109 on: August 31, 2019, 11:18:20 AM »
Football is definitely fun. No doubt this conversation will come up across the season and we'll enjoy saying the same things at each other all over again. It'll be a hoot. ;) Cheers!
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #110 on: September 03, 2019, 09:11:15 AM »
Linebackers:

I don't know what most observers would think of the 2018 squad, but I felt the linebackers were the weakest part of the defense.  Even freak athlete, Micah Parsons, seemed to always be tackling people 7 yards downfield.  However, the unit did improve over the course of the year, and return everyone.  I expect this to be the most improved unit on the team, but perhaps not as dominating as most of the press is predicting. 
I watched some of the highlights and Brandon Smith appeared quite a bit,very solid.Looked him up and he was the No 1 rated ILB in the Nation according to 247 and NO 1 rated player in VA.Great get and just a FR jeebis paired with Parsons (who the Buckeyes went all in for) and those LB's are stout/athletic/solid
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #111 on: September 03, 2019, 11:33:15 AM »

I watched some of the highlights and Brandon Smith appeared quite a bit,very solid.Looked him up and he was the No 1 rated ILB in the Nation according to 247 and NO 1 rated player in VA.Great get and just a FR jeebis paired with Parsons (who the Buckeyes went all in for) and those LB's are stout/athletic/solid

Brandon Smith (LB) was SUPER impressive.  Also very impressive:

Jordan Stout (Transfer - kickoffs and FG) - 13 touchbacks and 1 50+ yard field goal
Devyn Ford (Freshman RB)

However, we can't take too much from this game, given the opponent.  

 

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