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If Harbaugh were to do it with Gattis and fail to do it without him, then everyone should hold that against him. Of course, the difference there is that both of these coaches (Franklin and Harbaugh) probably are safe until retirement if they average 10-wins. And Harbaugh has done that with all of his coaching configurations, whereas Franklin only has done it with Moorhead.

If JH is there you'll have 3 more September Heismans

Maybe! We can even discuss that in the Michigan thread both now *and* in three years.

We don't have to keep including Harbaugh in the conversation. If you insist, we can. Even happy to have two conversations. The conversation about Franklin goes well here. And conversations about Michigan fit in this other 18-page thread.

I do think it's a weird question, though -- to imply a roster should be denigrated if it includes transfers. "Roster building" means building the best roster you can under the circumstances. And in the 2010s, that sometimes meant capitalizing on new transfer rules. If coaches excel with finding outside transfers, that shouldn't be demeaned. It's either worth ignoring or hailing -- somewhere in between.

There aren't any consequences. At least with the way Michigan has done it there haven't been any downsides. With QBs, for example, it's not like the transfers are repelling future recruits (every class has included a 4-star so far and 2021 has a commitment from 5-star JJ McCarthy, the best prospect Harbaugh has recruited yet). Also ... Harbaugh did recruit Dylan McCaffery, and it looks like a hit.

I think Franklin needed both Moorhead and talent. I think Moorhead needed both himself and talent. And this explains why both have struggled since they parted.

You're right. For Moorhead, that's just one year. For Franklin, though, read it as "when apart" and include the pre-Moorhead years to equal 23-16. Obviously, though, Franklin could shut this down by winning 10 games this year and doing it again in 2020.

You're right. For Moorhead, that's just one year. For Franklin, though, read it as "when apart" and include the pre-Moorhead years to equal 23-16. Obviously, though, Franklin could shut this down by winning 10 games this year and doing it again in 2020.

There's a sappy old saying "Don't look at whole in the donut,look at the whole donut".You have this obssession with picking the wings off of the Franklin Bug.The last 3 years Franklin's teams have beat Ohio State and lost 2-1 pt games,39-38 in 2017 and 27-26 last season.The wheels would have to really fall off of the cart.When Franklin has won the East and beat the Buckeyes non of which Harbaugh has on his resume.

Along your line of thinking MD @ MSU should be moving along.Hell a strong argument can be made that Herman got tOSU over the top - which I really believe.Congrats to URBZ and JF for hiring the right guys.Penn State would have a hard time dismissing a HC who has a better record vs tOSU than anyone not named Dantonio.End of Rant

I think one can think both that James Franklin isn't on the hot seat and that Ricky Rahne isn't the answer at OC.

Isn't that my message so far? I said that Franklin isn't on the hot seat -- of course then I go one step further to say he'll eventually progress to the hot seat with this OC ... but still.