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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2017, 12:49:58 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/26/sports/north-carolina-ncaa-academic-scandal.html?smid=tw-share

NC going to get away with it...?
An interesting article. If they do, I guess I wouldn't be surprised, but it would be absolutely infuriating. 
If we are looking at case precedence, I am wondering how this didn't apply to Gopher basketball under Clem Haskins then? In that scenario Tutors were doing the majority of the work, so they may have been categorized as staff within the athletic department. 
If this is ok for Carolina then can you imagine the precedent. Every school could create a few classes that cater to athletes that require little to no attendance and little to no work. I understand their are majors and programs that big time athletes steer towards now at many institutions, but they at least require some basic attendance and course work. This is full frontal. 

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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2017, 01:19:55 PM »
I'm sure Pitino is going to be "shocked" to learn that he is Coach 2.

SHOCKED, I tell ya.

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According to court records, Christian Dawkins, the former agent for ASM Sports who was charged in both parts of the college basketball case, told the cooperating witness, Marty Blazer, that he helped funnel $100,000 to the family of recruit Brian Bowen "at the request of a coach," identified as "Coach-2."

CBS first identified Pitino as "Coach-2" on Thursday.

Court records also said Adidas executive Jim Gatto "spoke directly with Coach-2 multiple times in the days before [Bowen] publicly committed" to Louisville.

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Because two Adidas employees involved in the scheme were having difficulty getting the money, they wanted to funnel the payments through Augustine's AAU program, which was sponsored by Adidas. According to FBI documents, at one point during the conversation in the hotel room, Augustine allegedly said, "No one swings a bigger [expletive] than [Coach-2] at [Adidas]" and added "all [Coach-2] has to do is pick up the phone and call somebody [and say], 'These are my guys; they're taking care of us.'"
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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2017, 02:12:30 PM »
Thank you Badge for the list of Adidas schools although in light of more information I'm now not sure how important that is in the long-run.  

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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2017, 02:13:45 PM »
it's only basketball
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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2017, 02:29:38 PM »
I'm sure Pitino is going to be "shocked" to learn that he is Coach 2.

SHOCKED, I tell ya.

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According to court records, Christian Dawkins, the former agent for ASM Sports who was charged in both parts of the college basketball case, told the cooperating witness, Marty Blazer, that he helped funnel $100,000 to the family of recruit Brian Bowen "at the request of a coach," identified as "Coach-2."

CBS first identified Pitino as "Coach-2" on Thursday.

Court records also said Adidas executive Jim Gatto "spoke directly with Coach-2 multiple times in the days before [Bowen] publicly committed" to Louisville.

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Because two Adidas employees involved in the scheme were having difficulty getting the money, they wanted to funnel the payments through Augustine's AAU program, which was sponsored by Adidas. According to FBI documents, at one point during the conversation in the hotel room, Augustine allegedly said, "No one swings a bigger [expletive] than [Coach-2] at [Adidas]" and added "all [Coach-2] has to do is pick up the phone and call somebody [and say], 'These are my guys; they're taking care of us.'"
Well considering a past scandal, I guess at least part of that could be verified by witnesses

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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2017, 02:44:07 PM »
admittedly have not paid attention to any of this- what is the federal crime being broken? Got to be tax evasion. Wouldn't the IRS and not the FBI investigate that?

I just don't get why the FBI is investigating this. They have better things to be doing than worrying about Joe Schmo 5* high school ball player going to Louisville or Auburn because his family was funneled $50k.

You know, there are far more serious things like organized crime- the mafia still exists ya know, gangs like ms13 and the crips and the bloods, drug trafficking, human trafficking, murder, extortion, political/gov't corruption, corporate greed/corruption, wall street/banking scams and corruption- all sorts of good stuff for the FBI to work on.

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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2017, 03:31:39 PM »
All fair questions.  The alleged crimes here against the Adidas Exec. are wire fraud, money laundering conspiracies  (the Victim(s) are the schools, believe it or not).

The alleged crimes here against the coaches are primarily wire fraud, wire fraud conspiracies, and solicitation of bribes, and bribery conspiracies.   the victims are various in these instances.

There's always a question of resource allocation when it comes to any investigative body (DOJ,  FBI, local law enforcement, etc. etc.)   that card can be played at any time on any issue. Ex.  I bet you guys don't know this, but just about every US Atty's office in the country has an AUSA who's primary job is to go after people who are not paying back the federal government (student loans), in a civil (non-criminal nature).  Great use of resources?  Maybe, maybe not, but the Gov't has a lot of resources, though not infinite, and initiatives, and at times are earmarked funds to undertake certain initiatives and lots of interests to protect.   When I worked in a US Attys office for a summer I worked on all kinds of civil and criminal matters.  It's not all glamorous stuff.

This case appears to have been generated by sources who came to the government, which in turn used informants to gather further evidence.  

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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2017, 03:36:44 PM »
footnote:  Tax evasion?   That could be a further matter which surfaces, as it relates to the recipient of the bribe.   I obviously have zero information that you may or may not have, but I could see DOJ saying to the recipient of the bribe,  'you cooperate with us on X and we will not go there,' though you better believe there will be restitution.

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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2017, 03:42:10 PM »
All fair questions.  The alleged crimes here against the Adidas Exec. are wire fraud, money laundering conspiracies  (the Victim(s) are the schools, believe it or not).

The alleged crimes here against the coaches are primarily wire fraud, wire fraud conspiracies, and solicitation of bribes, and bribery conspiracies.   the victims are various in these instances.

There's always a question of resource allocation when it comes to any investigative body (DOJ,  FBI, local law enforcement, etc. etc.)   that card can be played at any time on any issue. Ex.  I bet you guys don't know this, but just about every US Atty's office in the country has an AUSA who's primary job is to go after people who are not paying back the federal government (student loans), in a civil (non-criminal nature).  Great use of resources?  Maybe, maybe not, but the Gov't has a lot of resources, though not infinite, and initiatives, and at times are earmarked funds to undertake certain initiatives and lots of interests to protect.   When I worked in a US Attys office for a summer I worked on all kinds of civil and criminal matters.  It's not all glamorous stuff.

This case appears to have been generated by sources who came to the government, which in turn used informants to gather further evidence.  
money laundering? seems like a trumped up charge to me and an abuse of power by the government. They should be charging bankers and business owners working for the mafia and gangsters with money laundering. Not some shoe company exec trying to get 5* high school basketball players to go to a school that wears his companies shoes.

This is a HUGE waste of gov't resources. One of the biggest misallocation of gov't resources that I have ever seen to be honest. And that's saying something.

If I understand correctly, the whole thing started when some scumbag investor with ties to a lot of athletes ripped off an athlete client by taking/stealing $550,000 out of the athletes account and using that money to produce a Hollywood movie. When the guy was called out on it by the athlete he just stole from he decided to pay that athlete back by ripping off another athlete and then got busted ripping off the second athlete. When he was busted by the FBI- and rightfully so- he offered to cut a deal and be an informant for something completely unrelated to the crimes he had just gotten busted for. FBI should've laughed at him, said we don't give a flipping shit about shoe companies, high school basketball players and college basketball- and then thrown the book at that jagoff and thrown him in jail for a long ass time for stealing almost $1,000,000 from two clients.
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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2017, 03:43:50 PM »
I have no reason to not believe that Pitino is "Coach #2".  With that said, if it comes out that he is not "Coach #2", holy crap is he about to sue the bejesus out of every media outlet that is running with it.

Don't get me wrong, all evidence I am seeing points to him being the lying douchbag we all thought he was, but in today's age of media / bloggers and their supposed "inside sources" running with a story that is less-than-100% confirmed, just to be the first one out there to say it....

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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2017, 03:50:45 PM »
money laundering? seems like a trumped up charge to me and an abuse of power by the government. They should be charging bankers and business owners working for the mafia and gangsters with money laundering. Not some shoe company exec trying to get 5* high school basketball players to go to a school that wears his companies shoes.

This is a HUGE waste of gov't resources. One of the biggest misallocation of gov't resources that I have ever seen to be honest. And that's saying something.

If I understand correctly, the whole thing started when some scumbag investor with ties to a lot of athletes ripped off an athlete client by taking/stealing $550,000 out of the athletes account and using that money to produce a Hollywood movie. When the guy was called out on it by the athlete he just stole from he decided to pay that athlete back by ripping off another athlete and then got busted ripping off the second athlete. When he was busted by the FBI- and rightfully so- he offered to cut a deal and be an informant for something completely unrelated to the crimes he had just gotten busted for. FBI should've laughed at him, said we don't give a flipping shit about shoe companies, high school basketball players and college basketball- and then thrown the book at that jagoff and thrown him in jail for a long ass time for stealing almost $1,000,000 from two clients.
While I get what you are saying:
1)  The FBI has several divisions.  Some go after the mafia.  Some go after art theft.  Some go after businesses laundering money.  Regardless of how "important" it is, there are people at the FBi whose job it is to go after these types of crimes.

2)  While a million doesn't necessarily mean much in the eyes of the FBI in regards to one suspect, if this truly blows the cap off of the whole thing, you could be looking at millions upon millions of dollars that shoe companies have been pumping out.  To quote Hans Gruber, "  Well, when you steal $600, you can just disappear. When you steal 600 million, they will find you."

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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2017, 04:06:43 PM »
While I get what you are saying:
1)  The FBI has several divisions.  Some go after the mafia.  Some go after art theft.  Some go after businesses laundering money.  Regardless of how "important" it is, there are people at the FBi whose job it is to go after these types of crimes.

2)  While a million doesn't necessarily mean much in the eyes of the FBI in regards to one suspect, if this truly blows the cap off of the whole thing, you could be looking at millions upon millions of dollars that shoe companies have been pumping out.  To quote Hans Gruber, "  Well, when you steal $600, you can just disappear. When you steal 600 million, they will find you."
this is only a "crime" because of dumbass amateurism rules.

If high school kid is allowed to sign a contract with Nike or Adidas, where is the "crime".

Hopefully this just leads to the end of the NCAA.

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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2017, 04:07:05 PM »
Grillrat, funny you mentioned art theft.  You are spot on, they do this.  In fact, in almost every instance the art theft is often part of a larger money laundering operation.   That is a nasty, filthy business overseas,  Art,  artifacts, etc.  Huge black market, brutally violent too.   I have some good stories.

The only reason we know about this (waste of time and resources) case, is because it involves major college basketball.    Believe me, this case is very small potatoes in terms of time and resources.  It is though very very high profile, which may very well incentivize the government for obvious reasons.     It will likely succeed though in shining one bright light on this activity, acknowledging that nobody has a problem with Adidas paying school ABC $100 million bucks over x years for the brand rights, but somehow we're all supposed to lose our minds over these kinds of bribes.

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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2017, 04:10:59 PM »
this is only a "crime" because of dumbass amateurism rules.

If high school kid is allowed to sign a contract with Nike or Adidas, where is the "crime".

Hopefully this just leads to the end of the NCAA.
The only reason they aren't getting paid if they want to be is the NBA rule, so don't leave them out.

 

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