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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 20, 2023, 12:37:32 PM »

I'll just drop this here:

https://scarletandgame.com/2023/02/17/ohio-state-basketball-officially-time-part-ways-chris-holtmann/amp/

MaximumSam · « **Reply #71 on:** February 20, 2023, 12:53:51 PM »

Quote from: CatsbyAZ on February 19, 2023, 07:14:55 PM

Reading through everything:

-Ohio State basketball is amidst a historically awful season, losing 13 of their last 14 games.

-Is it bad enough to blow up and start over?

-Yes, but Holtmann's unwisely granted extension through 2027 makes him more difficult to fire.

-And with recruiting recently picking up (#8 class last year, #6 incoming) maybe there's hope? (But would current freshman pieces like Sensabaugh and Thornton even stick around?)

-Except Holtmann has underwhelmed with plenty going for Ohio State before. In fact, in year 6 now, Holtmann has had more than enough time, talent, and resources to prove himself better than Ohio State losing 13 of their last 14 games.

Hey speaking of Arizona when is ASU putting Hurley out to pasture?

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 20, 2023, 04:02:58 PM »

Key quote from the article I linked above:

"Show the fans that you have left, and judging by the empty seats in the Schott it’s not many, that losing like this isn’t acceptable in Columbus."

This is the point that either has already been reached or is about to be reached. Keeping Holtmann after this disaster with no offsetting accomplishments would be sending a message that the Ohio State Athletic Department simply doesn't care about BB.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #73 on:** February 20, 2023, 04:25:55 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2023, 04:02:58 PM

Key quote from the article I linked above:

"Show the fans that you have left, and judging by the empty seats in the Schott it’s not many, that losing like this isn’t acceptable in Columbus."

This is the point that either has already been reached or is about to be reached. Keeping Holtmann after this disaster with no offsetting accomplishments would be sending a message that the Ohio State Athletic Department simply doesn't care about BB.

Lol. Show you care by not supporting the team. Peak Columbus

847badgerfan · « **Reply #74 on:** February 20, 2023, 04:33:49 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2023, 04:02:58 PM

Key quote from the article I linked above:

"Show the fans that you have left, and judging by the empty seats in the Schott it’s not many, that losing like this isn’t acceptable in Columbus."

This is the point that either has already been reached or is about to be reached. Keeping Holtmann after this disaster with no offsetting accomplishments would be sending a message that the Ohio State Athletic Department simply doesn't care about BB.

Sounds like Wisconsin hockey - a 6-time national championship program - none since 2006 - that has been left for dead.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #75 on:** February 20, 2023, 04:41:56 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on February 20, 2023, 04:25:55 PM

Lol. Show you care by not supporting the team. Peak Columbus

Prices have been climbing for too many yrs. Out distancing either the averages fans ability or desire to keep paying the ramsome

MaximumSam · « **Reply #76 on:** February 20, 2023, 04:54:04 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on February 20, 2023, 04:41:56 PM

Prices have been climbing for too many yrs. Out distancing either the averages fans ability or desire to keep paying the ramsome

Oh don't get me wrong. I have no problem with anyone who doesn't want to pay to watch bad basketball, or even good basketball. OSU built the Schott not to provide a great basketball experience, but to sell lots of tickets to Monster Truck Rally's and whatever else they do there. That should tell you where basketball ranks in the athletic department's list of priorities.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #77 on:** February 20, 2023, 05:38:29 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on February 20, 2023, 04:25:55 PM

Lol. Show you care by not supporting the team. Peak Columbus

No one is talking about not supporting the team.

The AD needs to show he cares by not accepting this.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #78 on:** February 20, 2023, 07:52:36 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on February 20, 2023, 07:32:02 AM

Seems like a pretty arbitrary number. "Ah, the team sucks, but you won 6 games instead of 4, so all is well." By pretty similar logic you could justify kicking all the players off the team, too. That also makes no sense, but the way we talk about coaches and players isn't usually steeped in logic.

Yeah. I don’t think there’s a real science to it.

I’m guessing bottoming out puts you close to being fired. I am guessing that avoiding bottoming out would help. In the end, vibe around the program and willingness of someone to pay will tell the tale.

CatsbyAZ · « **Reply #79 on:** February 21, 2023, 10:58:21 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on February 20, 2023, 12:53:51 PM

Hey speaking of Arizona when is ASU putting Hurley out to pasture?

If Arizona State can reach 21 wins, to include a win or two in the conference tournament, Hurley is almost certainly kept aboard. At one point ASU was 15-3 until suffering a “Holtmann January” and losing four straight to close the month. Currently at 19-9 & 10-7 the Sun Devils are 4th in the conference standings, so winning twice more to reach 21 wins sounds manageable enough. Except their last three regular season games are on the road against the Pac 12’s three best teams - #7 Arizona, #4 UCLA, & USC.

Since we’re discussing in this thread about whether Ohio State’s admin cares about the basketball, it’s easier to see with ASU that the basketball program isn’t a campus priority. Hurley has kept his gig through 8 seasons now, this current one coming after two losing seasons (’20/’21 & ‘21/’22). And Hurley isn’t the first coach ASU has allowed to tread long term waters. For 9 seasons prior to Hurley’s hiring, Herb Sendek shuffled along the program, sleepwalking the program to NITs, as though coaching in a bathrobe, earning only two NCAA Tournament bids.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #80 on:** February 21, 2023, 11:07:46 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on February 20, 2023, 07:52:36 PM

Yeah. I don’t think there’s a real science to it.

I’m guessing bottoming out puts you close to being fired. I am guessing that avoiding bottoming out would help. In the end, vibe around the program and willingness of someone to pay will tell the tale.

I think that what you called "vibe around the program" can be pretty definitively measured by simply looking at attendance. The arena was >2/3 full for the Northwestern game and less than 4/5 full for the MSU game despite Spartan fans contributing significantly.

At the end of the day money talks. Ohio State didn't spend millions of dollars on a 20k seat arena for the purpose of playing crappy BB in front of 13k fans.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #81 on:** February 21, 2023, 11:55:57 AM »

To be fair to Ohio State/Holtmann/Max, the Buckeyes' B1G schedule is unusually brutal. The six teams that they play only once each are, IMHO, the next five worst teams and Indiana. Five of the six missed games are games that would be potentially winnable if played:

vs UNL
vs M
@MN
@PSU
@UW

That said, the Buckeyes host Penn State this week and if they lose they will be winless against the league's basement:

Lost at home to MN 70-67 on 1/12
Lost on the road to UNL 63-60 on 1/18
Lost at home to UW 65-60 on 2/2
Lost at home to PSU TBD on 2/23
Lost on the road to M 77-69 on 2/5

Those five and Ohio State are the only B1G teams likely not going to the NCAA Tournament.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #82 on:** February 21, 2023, 02:22:52 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 21, 2023, 11:07:46 AM

I think that what you called "vibe around the program" can be pretty definitively measured by simply looking at attendance. The arena was >2/3 full for the Northwestern game and less than 4/5 full for the MSU game despite Spartan fans contributing significantly.

At the end of the day money talks. Ohio State didn't spend millions of dollars on a 20k seat arena for the purpose of playing crappy BB in front of 13k fans.

I mean inside the program.

I don’t totally care about listed basketball attendance.

Kris60 · « **Reply #83 on:** February 22, 2023, 12:13:43 AM »

WVU is entering into a potentially uncomfortable situation with Bob Huggins. If WVU misses the tournament this season (right now squarely on the bubble) then that will make 3 out of the last 5 seasons it has missed the NCAAs (I give him the 2020 season because we were comfortably in had the tournament been played).

Since 2019, WVU has finished dead last in the conference twice and is 33-53 in Big 12 games in that time span. He’s a HOF, loves the state and university, and has had a lot of success during his time here.

The way his contract is currently structured is he is slated to coach through next season and then take on an emeritus type role with the school. The deadline to extend his coaching career here is May 1 this year. I’m of the opinion the contract should stand as currently constructed, give Huggs a nice send off, and prepare for a basketball program without him at the helm. The fanbase is probably split on that though. Many people think as long as Huggs wants to coach WVU should allow him to.

I love him for what he’s done here but this isn’t Coach K leaving Duke or Wooden leaving UCLA. He’s been a really good coach here. He hasn’t been a great coach.

It will be interesting to see how our brand new AD handles it.

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