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Isn't the big complaint about Holtmann that he doesn't develop his players??? Or do much with the more talented ones?

First off, from my perspective I don't care exactly what the problem is. The fact is that we are in year 6 and the HC is responsible recruiting, development, and x's and o's. There clearly IS a problem.

That said, IMHO right now it is an x's and o's problem. The Buckeyes, have a considerable amount of talent but right now, as I see it, they are five talented guys who coincidentally wore matching outfits and they are consistently losing to TEAMS made up of less, and sometimes considerably less talented individual players. As I said upthread, the whole is less than the sum of the parts.

First, as I said above, I really don't care exactly what the problem is. Our program has failed either at talent identification, recruitment, development, or coaching and the HC is ultimately responsible for all of those things so arguing about which ones he has failed at most/least severely is somewhat akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. No matter how the deck chairs are arranged the ship is still sinking. Same here, regardless of which aspect of the job he has failed most miserably at, the team still sucks, the program is still sinking, and the best way to get out of a hole is to stop digging. Gene Smith needs to stop the digging by making a change.

That said, I think that tOSU is easily in the top half of the B1G in talent yet they are in the bottom fifth in performance which leads me to my assertion that the whole is less than the sum of the parts.

Wake me up when we have something to show for it. Oh, you might want to wake up the rest of the fanbase too because our arena was roughly half filled for the Wisconsin loss. That, more than anything will seal Holtmann's fate. Gene Smith can't sell tickets because the program has stagnated.

I think y’all have said all the things on the matter.