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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2017, 04:50:49 PM »
I stopped watching the NFL the day that the Browns named Johnny Football the starter.

I haven't looked back. No regrets.
I couldn't tell you the last time I watched a non-Steelers NFL game in its entirety, including the Super Bowl.  I probably watch one full Steelers game, playoffs included, per year.  
The NFL is not entertaining in the least bit to me.  

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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 09:02:01 PM »
I couldn't tell you the last time I watched a non-Steelers NFL game in its entirety, including the Super Bowl.  I probably watch one full Steelers game, playoffs included, per year.  
The NFL is not entertaining in the least bit to me.  
Agreed. I could not love football more than I do. Grew up with it. Played it, coached, followed it.
Yet, I find the NFL nearly unwatchable.   It just seems so.... So... Contrived, and now the way the players act both on and off the field both during and before the games, it is almost offensive.  
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2017, 09:04:04 PM »
Agreed. I could not love football more than I do. Grew up with it. Played it, coached, followed it.
Yet, I find the NFL nearly unwatchable.   It just seems so.... So... Contrived, and now the way the players act both on and off the field both during and before the games, it is almost offensive.  
I used to feel that way.
Now I can barely tell a difference as college football constantly tries to NFLize itself.

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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 10:17:59 PM »
Anyone in the mood to discuss Offensive Lines? 
So I had my annual checkup at the doc's last week.  New doctor.  When it came time for the cough cough routine, he said "Looks like a Pen!s, only smaller."  I thought that was a pretty bad and borderline offensive line.   
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Oh... you meant football?  My vote goes to the Saints.  I just hope they don't get Drew Brees killed this year.  No defense, and now the OL is bad too.  On top of that, they trade Cooks to the Pats during the off season.  

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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 10:30:21 PM »
I haven't sat through a non-SB NFL game in a few years.  Last year was the first SB I simply didn't care to even watch any of.  I'm not sure why, I just don't give a damn.

I'm as critical of OL play as anyone, as that's what I played in HS.  I'm almost never impressed by any OL I watch.  If a guy gets a good block one play, he's just as likely to whiff the next, it seems.  I played left tackle, and as limited as I was, there are LTs getting paid millions of dollars who flat out suck.  They don't seem to have a plan at all.  I honestly want to blame height, of all things.

We know that the taller the basketball player, the better...up to a certain point.  Shaq was a revelation because he was coordinated in the paint AND 7'0", with strength.  You start getting up to 7'2", 7'4", 7'6" and they're guys who would BE comedic and a danger to themselves on roller skates.  Gawky.  Awkward.  Just a mess.

NFL left tackles (esp LT) are now 6'7", 6'8", 6'9".....and they suck.  I don't care if your arms are 40" long, ARE YOU COORDINATED ENOUGH TO USE THEM?!?  
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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2017, 09:30:08 AM »
Two years ago Penn State's OL was abysmal.  Now Coach Franklin claims they're the best in the Big Ten and he may be right.  Same kids I think.

Maybe Penn St's awful OL play two years ago had something to do with the Pillar of Salt they were blocking for? Understandably so.

But props to James Franklin for turning the OL into a strength rather than letting it linger as a weakness like so many other coaches do. Cough cough Andy Reid's clock management.

Was thinking that if you're an NFL GM do you turn exclusively to the pro-style college programs with a track record of plentiful NFL lineman? I'm thinking Stanford and Iowa as opposed to banking on a potentially better athlete and physical build from Oregon or Texas A&M? A dependable interior Guard shouldn't be such a headache to find and develop.

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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2017, 10:12:25 AM »
Last week Cleveland announced that Joe Thomas had taken his 10,000th straight snap. As in, he has not missed a snap since he started in the NFL.

That is incredible.

Hasn't missed a pro bowl either. The record was 7 for an OL to start a career, but now Joe has the record at 10 (and counting). He's been all-pro 8 times.
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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2017, 10:34:33 AM »
He's on the expansion Browns' Mt Rushmore. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2017, 11:31:10 AM »
Last week Cleveland announced that Joe Thomas had taken his 10,000th straight snap. As in, he has not missed a snap since he started in the NFL.

That is incredible.

Hasn't missed a pro bowl either. The record was 7 for an OL to start a career, but now Joe has the record at 10 (and counting). He's been all-pro 8 times.
That's the big one.

Pro Bowls, meh.  SUper Bowl participants now all have to be replaced, and so many guys opt out, I think one year they were down to the 7th choice QB to fill out the roster.

But man, 8 All Pros?  That's crazy.  And 6 of them are 1st team.  Only 24 players in NFL history have been First team All-Pro 7 or more times, only 9 primarily offensive linemen.

He gets a 7th, he joins Forrest Gregg, John Hannah, Bruce Matthews, Randall McDaniel and Bulldogs Turner.

OSU alum Jim Parker is the lone offensive lineman with 8.

Ron Mix and Anthony Munoz have 9.

Then Jim Otto (a Wisconsin native) is the gold standard with 10.

I think you can pretty easily say Joe Thomas (at worst) is the best NFL lineman since Randall McDaniel, and the best tackle since Munoz.  He could very well be 2nd all time to Munoz.  Granted prior to the 80s, you tended to put your best linemen inside to be road graders, and not til it really started opening up was tackle, namely left tackle, the premier offensive line position.

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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 11:49:51 AM »
He might have been all-pro even more in the days when the NFL was so many less teams and players to choose from. Who knows.

He's the best lineman since he came into the league. Just a shame he'll never get a ring as an NFL player. He's starting to talk about memory loss now too...
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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2017, 09:30:28 AM »
Two of about the worst OLs are taking the field every other Sunday in Seattle and Indianapolis. And is it any wonder when their erosion started? Back when their star QB's rookie contracts expired and cap money become tied up on their much larger second contract. Seattle looks like a team invested in Russell Wilson, the defense, and nothing else because that's in fact where Pete Carroll directed the money. For now Wilson's feet can keep drives alive, but how much longer can his feet be counted on? Look at these other rookie-contract QBs with nice OLs. Marcus Mariotta and Dak Prescott taking snaps behind the two of the NFL's better OLs. Just like Wilson did. Once both are granted pricier contracts the roster will have to take a hit somewhere. Credit the Packers and Patriots for giving Rodgers and Brady strong OLs, but especially in the case of the Packers, it's been at the expense of depth on the Defense. Of course pricier QB contracts or salary cap limitations DON'T explain why there are so many bad lineman across the NFL, but it does get at how certain leakier OLs were back-burnered by GMs. Accurate of the Giants too.

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Re: Bad Offensive Lines
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2022, 09:59:08 AM »
So I had my annual checkup at the doc's last week.  New doctor.  When it came time for the cough cough routine, he said "Looks like a Pen!s, only smaller."  I thought that was a pretty bad and borderline offensive line. 
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Oh... you meant football?   



 

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