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medinabuckeye1

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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2023, 10:17:53 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 12, 2023, 08:39:05 AM
Chicago
Illinois
Michigan (left for 10 years)
Minnesota
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin

Iowa and Indiana joined in 1899. OSU joined in 1912. Michigan came back in 1917. Chicago dropped football in 1939 and left for good in 1946. MSU joined in 1950.
Lake Forest attended the first meeting and Michigan did not.

Somewhere between the discussion meeting and the charter meeting Michigan replaced Lake Forest.

I've said before that the Michigan for Lake Forest swap is probably one of the most consequential changes in league (and possibly CFB in general) history.

The conference with Lake Forest instead of Michigan is:
Three private, Chicago-area schools:
  • Northwestern
  • Chicago
  • Lake Forest
Three large public schools in or adjacent to the Chicagoland area:
  • Illinois
  • Purdue
  • Wisconsin
One large public school further away:
  • Minnesota

My guess is that THAT conference would have expanded with more Chicagoland schools and remained basically a "Greater Chicago" conference.


The big State schools would eventually have left for some alternative made up completely (or at least mostly) of schools such as themselves.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2023, 10:32:32 AM »
If you had Lake Forest, the original league would have looked similar to the ACC with all those NC schools clustered (Wake was in that cluster before moving to Winston-Salem).
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2023, 09:55:28 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 12, 2023, 08:52:06 AM
Probably so.

Michigan
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Penn State
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington


And??
Nebraska, of course. It's all about brands and ratings. 

I'd postulate that the ten spot would come down to either Michigan State or Iowa.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2023, 10:35:30 PM »
of course
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2023, 02:58:10 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 12, 2023, 09:55:28 PM
Nebraska, of course. It's all about brands and ratings.

I'd postulate that the ten spot would come down to either Michigan State or Iowa.
Not so fast my friends.  Minnesota and Illinois have higher academic rankings and are THE flagship universities in 6M+ popolution states.  Nebraska and Iowa have been sliding in academic rankings and are in small population states.  Football history and attendance is strong at Nebraska but that also has been in decline.  Nebraska would have been a shoo-in 10 years ago but today not such a slam dunk.  Don't underestimate the academic snob factor.

Of course that kind of logic says take Stanford over Oregon,  so what do I know?
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2023, 08:12:55 AM »
Academics? Lol. 

They could have added Stanford and Cal for free, and took a hard pass. 

It's all about football brands and ratings at this point. They are making TV events. 
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2023, 08:46:15 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 13, 2023, 08:12:55 AM
Academics? Lol.

They could have added Stanford and Cal for free, and took a hard pass.

It's all about football brands and ratings at this point. They are making TV events.
In the end probably none of Minnesota, Illinois, Purdue, Ind, Neb, Iowa would be big enough for the new streamed-down Big Ten.   They would probably add Notre Dame and Texas instead. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2023, 08:51:47 AM »
they've tried to add ND & UT

had to settle
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2023, 01:08:34 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 13, 2023, 08:12:55 AM
Academics? Lol.

They could have added Stanford and Cal for free, and took a hard pass.

It's all about football brands and ratings at this point. They are making TV events.
Again, Stanford said no to sharing academics with the B1G, they cut themselves out. 
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2023, 01:43:32 PM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on October 13, 2023, 01:08:34 PM
Again, Stanford said no to sharing academics with the B1G, they cut themselves out.
I have no inside knowledge and I know nothing but that sure sounds like B. S. to me. 
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2023, 02:57:45 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 13, 2023, 01:43:32 PM
I have no inside knowledge and I know nothing but that sure sounds like B. S. to me.
I don't think it is. The PAC has very weak academic ties, and the ACC has none.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2023, 09:51:34 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 11, 2023, 03:31:50 PM
B1G-W:
As I said elsewhere, if Wisconsin beats Iowa this weekend, you can pretty much write in "Badgers" as the B1G-W representative in Indianapolis.  An Iowa win would put the Hawkeyes in the driver's seat, but they would be less assured than a victorious Wisconsin. 

B1G-E:
I just can't see how Maryland can recover from the loss to tOSU to get in this race.  They simply aren't as good as the Big Three so they needed to take advantage when they were in the game after halftime and they just couldn't do it. 

That brings us the the Big Three and it is pretty simple.  If one of them can sweep the other two, they are in even if they do lose an upset somewhere else.  If not then either whoever loses in an upset is out and the winner of the other two goes or else the final and most interesting possibility:

If #2 Michigan, #3 Ohio State, and #6 Penn State all finish 11-1/8-1 then the team that goes to the B1GCG will be the team whose B1G-W opponents have the best cumulative league record.  As of right now that stands at:

4-4 Ohio State:

  • 2-0 Wisconsin
  • 1-2 Minnesota
  • 1-2 Purdue
3-6 Michigan:
  • 1-2 Nebraska
  • 1-2 Minnesota
  • 1-2 Purdue

3-6 Penn State:
  • 2-1 Iowa
  • 1-2 Northwestern
  • 0-3 Illinois
Northwestern's upset win over Minnesota is the only thing keeping Penn State even in this race.  Had Minnesota won that game the Buckeyes' opponents would be 5-3, the Wolverines' would be 4-5, and Penn States' would be 2-7. 

The Buckeyes are big Badger fans this weekend because a Wisconsin win helps tOSU AND hurts PSU. 

A good day for PSU today as far as the tiebreaker goes
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2023, 02:58:53 AM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on October 14, 2023, 09:51:34 PM
A good day for PSU today as far as the tiebreaker goes
Sure was
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2023, 05:39:56 AM »
You would think Iowa would be the clear frontrunner in the West right now,  but I don't trust Iowa to run the table.  Iowa has that special ability to win when the stats say it shouldn't by winning games with defense, special teams,  field position, and takeaways.  One thing it clearly does not need is a passing game. Although Iowa should still consider switching QB's.

But the whole key to Iowa's success is not to fall 2 scores behind.  If Iowa has a couple turnovers early and falls behind 10-0,  they can't catch up with its offense.  Although Iowa did come back from down 16-10 to MSU,  but the offense did not do that.  Iowa could lose at leaat once and maybe twice more.

In the end the West winner will probably have 3 losses again.  Wisc still has to play OSU and will get upset again.  Nobody else is good enough to win out.


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