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FearlessF

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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2023, 09:48:32 AM »
no one in the west has a QB or an offense

no sure wins for anyone in the west
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2023, 12:24:45 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 15, 2023, 09:48:32 AM
no one in the west has a QB or an offense

no sure wins for anyone in the west
whoever wins the west- and it's looking like Iowa is a lock right now- is just going to get slaughtered in the B1G CCG by the East winner- which will be either M/OSU/PSU. basically just a rinse/repeat of every year since they went to East/West divisions.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2023, 12:37:46 PM »
Iowa/Michigan a couple seasons ago?
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2023, 12:41:58 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 15, 2023, 12:37:46 PM
Iowa/Michigan a couple seasons ago?
yup. gonna be a 42-3 or 41-7 type game in the B1G CCG. East winner will slaughter the West winner. There will be blood.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2023, 02:05:47 PM »
Updated potential 3-way tiebreaker:
5-6 Penn State:

  • 3-1 Iowa
  • 1-2 Northwestern 
  • 1-3 Illinois 

4-6 Ohio State:

  • 2-1 Wisconsin 
  • 1-2 Minnesota 
  • 1-3 Purdue 

3-7 Michigan:
  • 1-2 Nebraska 
  • 1-2 Minnesota 
  • 1-3 Purdue 

Huge change from last week. 

I continue to believe that Michigan has basically no chance of winning if it comes to this since I still believe that Wisconsin > Nebraska. That would leave it between tOSU and PSU so keep an eye on games between UW/MN/PU and IA/NU/IL.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2023, 02:41:16 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 15, 2023, 12:24:45 PM
whoever wins the west- and it's looking like Iowa is a lock right now-
I'm not sure about "lock" only because their offense is so bad that it feels like they are vulnerable every week but they are definitely a strong favorite. 

In the East the three-team round-robin to determine the Championship begins in Columbus this weekend. 

Michigan is technically 1/2 game ahead but that is meaningless and only because they haven't had their week off yet. 

The loser this weekend isn't completely out and the winner hasn't clinched but the loser probably needs to win out AND get help while the winner controls their own destiny and would have a prayer even with a loss to Michigan on Veteran's Day (PSU) or Turkey weekend (tOSU).
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2023, 07:10:00 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 15, 2023, 12:24:45 PM
whoever wins the west- and it's looking like Iowa is a lock right now- is just going to get slaughtered in the B1G CCG by the East winner- which will be either M/OSU/PSU. basically just a rinse/repeat of every year since they went to East/West divisions.
I would love to argue with you and point out that the West has played plenty of close games in the CCG over the years, because they have,  but it would be just as silly trying to argue that Michigan was not getting it's ass kicked by Ohio St every year just because it played plenty of close games against Ohio St    The only thing that mattered is when Michigan finally beat OSU in 2021.  Same with the West. 

With that said,  It is safe to say Iowa has not come close to beating Michigan or Ohio St in 2021 or 2022.  So nobody expects anything different in 2023. 

But let's not act like that like this has been going on forever.  Iowa beat PSU in both 2020 and 2021.  Iowa beat Mich in 2016, played Mich close in 2019,  and would have beat Mich in 2020 if Mich/Covid didn't cancel the game Iowa-Mich in 2020.  Ohio St has not beat Iowa in Iowa Ciry since 2010! Iowa has had its share of victories over the Big 3 over the years.  They just kind of suck against the Big 3 in 2022 & 2023 that's all. 
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2023, 01:19:29 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 15, 2023, 07:10:00 PM
I would love to argue with you and point out that the West has played plenty of close games in the CCG over the years, because they have,
I think this is a fair point so let's explore it.

2022:
43-22 Michigan over Purdue. Purdue led 10-7 in the second quarter and was within a point at halftime but Michigan pulled away early in the second half and Purdue never seriously threatened after that. Blowout IMHO.

2021:
42-3 Michigan over Iowa. This one was more-or-less over in the first quarter. Blowout.

2020:
22-10 Ohio State over Northwestern. Northwestern led 10-6 at the half and was within one score until deep in the fourth. Competitive game.

2019:
34-21 Ohio State over Wisconsin.  Wisconsin led 21-7 at the half but Ohio State walked away is the second half. Reasonably competitive game

2018:
45-24 Ohio State over Northwestern. This was a weird one. Ohio State led 24-7 at the half and appeared to be on their way to an easy win. Then the Wildcats scored two quick TD's to make it a three point game. Then the Buckeyes scored a TD to take a 10 point lead into the fourth quarter but a NU FG made it a one score game again before tOSU iced it with two late TD's.

2017:
27-22 Ohio State over Wisconsin. Ohio State led 21-10 at the half but UW was within a FG in the fourth and ended up losing by only one score.

2016:
38-31 Penn State over Wisconsin. Wisconsin led 28-7 early but PSU stormed back and won.

2015:
16-13 Michigan State over Iowa. The Spartans won on a TD in the closing seconds.

2014:
59-0 Ohio State over Wisconsin. It wasn't even as close as the lopsided final score.

By my count:
  • Three blowouts.
  • Three games that were reasonably competitive but with the B1G-E rep pulling away late.
  • Three one score games.

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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2023, 07:23:00 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 15, 2023, 02:05:47 PM
Updated potential 3-way tiebreaker:
5-6 Penn State:

  • 3-1 Iowa
  • 1-2 Northwestern
  • 1-3 Illinois

4-6 Ohio State:

  • 2-1 Wisconsin
  • 1-2 Minnesota
  • 1-3 Purdue

3-7 Michigan:
  • 1-2 Nebraska
  • 1-2 Minnesota
  • 1-3 Purdue

Huge change from last week.

I continue to believe that Michigan has basically no chance of winning if it comes to this since I still believe that Wisconsin > Nebraska. That would leave it between tOSU and PSU so keep an eye on games between UW/MN/PU and IA/NU/IL.
Disaster weekend for Penn State. Their opponents went 0-3, tOSU's and Michigan's each went 2-0.

Updated potential 3-way tiebreaker:
6-6 Ohio State:
  • 3-1 Wisconsin
  • 2-2 Minnesota
  • 1-3 Purdue
5-7 Michigan:
  • 2-2 Nebraska
  • 2-2 Minnesota
  • 1-3 Purdue
5-9 Penn State:
  • 3-2 Iowa
  • 1-3 Northwestern
  • 1-4 Illinois

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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2023, 09:44:10 PM »
What are the various scenarios for the B1G West? 
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2023, 10:53:33 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 21, 2023, 09:44:10 PM
What are the various scenarios for the B1G West?
WAY too early to tackle this. Everyone is mathematically in it and the top six each have a realistic chance.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2023, 08:43:16 AM »
Yes,  the West is pretty much wide open.

Assuming Wisc loses to Ohio St,  everybody in the West will have at least 2 losses.  Minn will also play Ohio St so they should have at least 3 losses. 

I have a hunch Wisc and Iowa will tie for first with 3 losses each.  Everybody else will have at least 4 losses. That would give Iowa the division.

But like others have mentioned,  Neb, Minn, NW,  Wisc all could get on a roll and  win out except for any games against the Big 3 in the east.  Iowa could easily fall apart.  Minn, Neb, NW all could win the division if they finish at least 6-3.
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2023, 09:14:10 AM »
If I had to project the Big Ten West Standings, I would guess

1. Iowa 6-3
2.  Wisc 6-3
3.  Minn 5-4
4.  Neb 5-4
5.  Pur 3-6
6.  ILL 3-6
7.  NW 2-7

This could get interesting if the West ends up a 3-way tie with Minn or Neb involved.   Technically PUR, ILL and NW are still alive but the odds are not good unless they win out and get some help. 
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Re: B1GCG Races
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2023, 12:18:08 PM »


The B1G West's big 4 are all tied for first place, with the Wildcats lurking in the shadows one game behind that quadruple conglomerate. 

So... what would need to happen in order for Northwestern to sneak through the myriad of tiebreakers and secure their third trip to Indianapolis? 
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