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Topic: B1G-W Race after week 10

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medinabuckeye1

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B1G-W Race after week 10
« on: November 08, 2021, 01:08:18 PM »
First, NU and UNL are definitely mathematically eliminated because they each have 5+ losses and the UW/MN and MN/IA winners can do no worse than 5-4.  

Second, Illinois is practically eliminated and probably mathematically eliminated because even if they won out they'd only be 5-4 which would be no better than a tie with the UW/MN and MN/IA winners.  I can't figure out a way for IL to win any of the potential ties.  

That leaves the four teams currently tied atop the standings at 4-2.  Here is each team's record against the other three:

  • 2-0 Wisconsin, MN remaining
  • 1-0 Minnesota, IA and UW remaining
  • 1-2 Purdue
  • 0-2 Iowa, MN remaining

Wisconsin and Minnesota obviously control their own destiny and the Ax game could be for a trip to Indy.  

Purdue needs the eventual UW/MN winner to lose a game before winning that.  


Iowa needs both UW and PU to lose a game.  

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Re: B1G-W Race after week 10
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 01:22:22 PM »
Purdue's in trouble here, because unless they somehow manage to beat OSU, they're going to be a 3-loss team in conference at best. 

Being 1-2 against the other three, it would make it almost impossible to construct a tiebreaker they'd win as a 3-loss team. 

Losing to Minnesota, a team I think would could have beaten, in a monsoon, hurt.


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Re: B1G-W Race after week 10
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 01:46:58 PM »
I think there is at least 1 mathematical possibility for ILL

ILL wins its last 2 games against Iowa, NW
Wisc loses its last 3 games against NW, Neb, Minn
Purdue loses its last 3 games against OSU, NW, Ind
Iowa loses to ILL and Neb, but beats Minn
Minn loses to Iowa and Ind but beats Wisc

If all that happens, ILL, Iowa, Minn finish in a 3-way tie for 1st.  ILL would win the tie by going 2-0 against Minn and Iowa.


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Re: B1G-W Race after week 10
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 01:54:30 PM »
Purdue's in trouble here, because unless they somehow manage to beat OSU, they're going to be a 3-loss team in conference at best.

Being 1-2 against the other three, it would make it almost impossible to construct a tiebreaker they'd win as a 3-loss team.

Losing to Minnesota, a team I think would could have beaten, in a monsoon, hurt.



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Re: B1G-W Race after week 10
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2021, 03:35:14 PM »
I think there is at least 1 mathematical possibility for ILL

ILL wins its last 2 games against Iowa, NW
Wisc loses its last 3 games against NW, Neb, Minn
Purdue loses its last 3 games against OSU, NW, Ind
Iowa loses to ILL and Neb, but beats Minn
Minn loses to Iowa and Ind but beats Wisc

If all that happens, ILL, Iowa, Minn finish in a 3-way tie for 1st.  ILL would win the tie by going 2-0 against Minn and Iowa.
I don't see anything that is mathematically impossible here so I guess you are right, Illinois is still mathematically in the race.  In this situation the final standings would be:
  • 5-4 Illinois
  • 5-4 Iowa
  • 5-4 Minnesota
  • 4-5 Wisconsin
  • 4-5 Purdue
  • 3-6 Nebraska
  • 3-6 Northwestern
All seven teams would be within +/-2 games and you are right that Illinois would win the H2H2H tiebreaker with Iowa and Minnesota.  

This *MIGHT* be the only way for Illinois to get there.  Possibilities:
  • If Illinois loses any remaining game they are obviously out.  
  • If Wisconsin were to beat MN then the 3-way tie would be IL, IA, and UW and Wisconsin is 2-0 there.  
  • If Wisconsin were to beat either NU or UNL that would create a 4-way tie where UW and IL were both 2-1 so UW wins that.  
  • If Purdue were to win any of their remaining games that would create a 4-way tie between IL, IA, MN, and PU, see below.  
  • If Iowa were to beat UNL they'd win outright.  
  • If MN were to beat IA they'd win outright.  
So I *THINK* that the ONLY way for Illinois to get to Indy is to win a 3-way tie with IA and MN.  Otherwise they are out.  

Double checking . . .

Ok, that isn't quite it.  Illinois would also win a 2-way tie with either IA or MN if the other one lost an extra game.  

Still, Illinois' chances are remote due to needing specific results in almost every remaining game involving a B1G-W team.  


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Re: B1G-W Race after week 10
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2021, 01:42:39 PM »
After Sat's games, I think ILL may be mathematically eliminated although they could still finish in a tie for first if the following happens

ILL wins last 2 against Iowa and NW
Wisc loses last 2 against Neb and Minn
Iowa loses last 2 against ILL and Neb
Minn loses against MD, but beats Wisc
Purdue loses last 2 against NW and Ind

This would make a 4-way tie for first but ILL  would lose the tie breaker to Wisc.  Wisc and ILL would both be 2-1 h2h2h2h but Wisc would win the division based on beating  ILL.

Looking at other teams,,  I think Purdue, Minn, Iowa all are still mathematically alive but do not control their own destiny.  Wisconsin just needs to win its last 2 games to win the division.

 

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