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JerseyTerrapin · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2021, 11:06:42 AM »

1) Iowa

2) Ohio State

3) Penn State

4) Wisconsin

5) Indiana

6) Michigan

7) Michigan State (seems like they're back, ahead of schedule)

8) Minnesota

9) Rutgers (I will leave them here, but that game vs. Syracuse was not exactly a showcase of P5 football ability).

10) Maryland (Really should not be playing Howard, but we want to get into a bowl again someday)
11) Purdue

12) Northwestern

13) Nebraska (Buffalo is a good program)

14) Illinois

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 13, 2021, 02:16:40 PM »

Ohio State - 1,1 Clearly not looking like a CFP team but I'm not yet convinced that any team in this league is better and the Buckeyes have at least two "get right" games to get things figured out.
Penn State - 2,3 Did what they were expected to do against MAC opponent.
Wisconsin - 3,2 Did what they were expected to do against MAC opponent.
Iowa - 4,4 Either I have Iowa too low or IU and ISU were overrated. For now I'm guessing that IU and ISU were overrated but we'll see.
Michigan - 5,5 Nice convincing win over a P5 opponent.
Maryland - 7,12 Did what they were expected to do against FCS opponent.
Rutgers - 8,13 Looked like a quality B1G team on the road at Syracuse.
Minnesota - 6,7 Oddly the Gophers looked better in their loss to tOSU than they did in their win over Miami, OH.
Michigan State - 9,11 Did what they were expected to do against FCS opponent.
Indiana - 10,6 Did what they were expected to do against FCS opponent.
Purdue - 11,10 Throttled UCONN!
Northwestern - 12,8 Did what they were expected to do against FCS opponent.
Illinois - 13,14 Not sure if UTSA and UVA are a LOT better than I give them credit for or that UNL win was a fluke.
Nebraska - 14,9 Did what they were expected to do against MAC opponent.

Most of the conference holds because they did what they were expected to do so not much changes.

ncbuck71 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 13, 2021, 03:12:09 PM »

Iowa
Penn State
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Maryland
Purdue
Indiana
Rutgers
Northwestern
Nebraska
Illinois

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 13, 2021, 03:13:42 PM »

Preview of results based on votes so far:

Iowa VERY close to
Penn State
tOSU, all by themselves
Wisconsin, all by themselves
Michigan with a HUGE cushion over
Indiana close to
Maryland close to
Rutgers close to
Michigan State
Minnesota close to
Purdue
Northwestern, all by themselves
Nebraska
Illinois

Hawkinole · « **Reply #18 on:** September 13, 2021, 03:48:46 PM »

Interesting early results.

My guess is Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Penn State are very close in competitiveness. Ohio State is an entirely different type of team from the other four.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 13, 2021, 04:02:01 PM »

Quote from: Hawkinole on September 13, 2021, 03:48:46 PM

Interesting early results.

My guess is Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Penn State are very close in competitiveness. Ohio State is an entirely different type of team from the other four.

I think I agree but I'm not sure so I'm curious how exactly you mean this. In your rankings you had:

Iowa
Michigan
Penn State
Wisconsin
Ohio State

If you mean that you think the four you listed are clearly better then I disagree but that isn't what you said, you said "different type team".

I think I agree but here is what I mean by it:
Games between Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Penn State should all be competitive, those are:

M @ UW on 10/2
PSU @ Iowa on 10/9
Iowa @ UW on 10/30
M @ PSU on 11/13

Conversely the games between those four and Ohio State, to wit:

PSU @ tOSU on 10/30
tOSU @ M on 11/27
potential CCG vs IA or UW

These are completely different. Ohio State is good enough and has enough talent that if they get their issues straightened out and/or just have a really good game, the Buckeyes will win against any of the four in a complete blowout. OTOH, Ohio State has enough issues right now that they could also lose to any of those four in a complete blowout.

Hawkinole · « **Reply #20 on:** September 14, 2021, 01:43:49 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 13, 2021, 04:02:01 PM

I think I agree but I'm not sure so I'm curious how exactly you mean this. In your rankings you had:
Iowa
Michigan
Penn State
Wisconsin
Ohio State

These are completely different. Ohio State is good enough and has enough talent that if they get their issues straightened out and/or just have a really good game, the Buckeyes will win against any of the four in a complete blowout. OTOH, Ohio State has enough issues right now that they could also lose to any of those four in a complete blowout.

My top 4 have are distinguished from Ohio St most importantly because they have defenses that look exceptional.
Ohio State is a difficult comparison to the other 4 because its strength is offense and weakness is defense. Adding to its misery, Ohio State lost a home game to a lower ranked team. This is to illustrate how bad Ohio State's defense has been:

Ohio St gave up 31 points and 408 combined yards rushing and passing, to Minnesota.
Miami (Ohio) gave up 31 points and 287 combined yards rushing and passing, to Minnesota.

Ohio St gave up 35 points and 505 combined yards rushing and passing to Oregon.
Fresno St gave up 31 points and 358 combined yards rushing and passing to Oregon.

Going back to January 2021, Ohio St. gave up 52 points to Alabama.

It is fair to level criticism against Iowa's offense; it is paltry; the O-Line hasn't looked good, and the QB is immobile. But, Iowa this season played two ranked teams with legit defenses, and defeated both; the last two games Ohio St played against ranked teams, it lost. Iowa has won 9-consecutive games now, all against Power-5 schools. Occasionally an elite football program falters. Ohio St has had a remarkably long run. I think they will do well this year, but I see too many sharks swimming in Ohio State waters. There is not a single gimme in the Eastern Division.

It is early, and the quality of opponents is unequal. These five teams' "Points Against" are:
1. Iowa - 23 points
2. Mich. - 24 points
3. Penn St. - 23 points
4. Wisc. - 23 points
5. Ohio St. - 66 points

Michigan has scored more points than Ohio St. 78 - 73. Michigan appears to have turned a corner. Head-to-head there is not much difference between Penn St. and Wisc. I think there is a difference between my #4 and #5, which is not to say Ohio St won't defeat someone in the top 4, or that they will have a bad season. What I have seen says it will not be as good a season as Ohio State has been accustomed to having. That said, I am quite often wrong about football (but see the Washington v. Michigan thread).

Hawkinole · « **Reply #21 on:** September 14, 2021, 01:47:45 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 13, 2021, 04:02:01 PM

OTOH, Ohio State has enough issues right now that they could also lose to any of those four in a complete blowout.

Ohio St. would not lose to Iowa in a complete blowout. Iowa doesn't have enough offense. We shall see if Iowa's offense or defense scores more against Kent State this weekend. It's frustrating.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #22 on:** September 14, 2021, 07:10:29 AM »

Iowa - Playing great defense and not committing to many mistakes on offense.
Ohio State - I said last week I was worried about the defense. While Coombs is a great recruiter and DB coach, he is out of his league as a Def Coordinator
Penn State - Still unsure about their offense as Ball St didn't reveal much.
Wisconsin - Only loss to Penn St keeps them this low
Michigan State - I'm impressed with their run game so far this season.
Michigan - Was Washington really a good win? Washington lost to Montana week 1, so we really don't know much.
Rutgers - Good win over Syracuse.
Maryland - The win over WVU still looking good.
Purdue - Showed some heart with the comeback win over Or. St. Did what they should have against UConn.
Minnesota - Stayed with tOSU but had trouble with Miami Oh.
Indiana - Got their doors blown off by Iowa, did what they had to against Idaho.
Northwestern - Still sputtering against lesser teams.
Nebraska - Not sure the Fordham win should move them ahead of Ill, but
Illinois - Lost to UTSA and then got blown out by Virginia.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 14, 2021, 10:56:41 AM »

Results posted, votes through @NorthernOhioBuckeye , 15 voters.

Some notes:
#1 Iowa (1.85), #2 PSU (2.23), and #3 tOSU (2.69) are all within less than 0.5 of the next team such that #3 tOSU is closer to #1 Iowa than they are to #4 Wisconsin.

#4 Wisconsin and #5 Michigan are pretty close also but the bigger issue is that #5 Michigan is actually closer to #1 Iowa than they are to #6 Rutgers. Ie, the gap between #5 and #6 is ENORMOUS.

#6 RU (7.92), #7/8 UMD/IU (both 8.0), and #9 MSU (8.31) are all basically tied for 6-9.

#10 MN (9.23) and #11 PU (9.38) are basically tied for 10/11.

#12 Northwestern is all by themselves.

#13 Nebraska is fairly close to #14 IL whom they lost to.

What I call the COTY/Hot Seat Chart is odd. This chart compares preseason to current ranking. I call it the COTY/Hot Seat chart because COTY is usually given to the coach of the biggest unexpectedly improving team and the coach of the biggest unexpectedly declining team is generally on the hot seat.

This chart is unusual because right now only IL (-0.23) and UW (-1.0) are within +/-1 of where they started. Everybody else is either significantly up or significantly down.

Vote Distribution:
These are the only things that at least half of us agree on:

11 of 15 agree that NU is #12
10 of 15 agree that IL is #14
9 of 15 agree that RU is #7
9 of 15 agree that UNL is #13
8 of 15 agree that Iowa is #1

Other than that it is pretty much a jumbled mess.

Ohio State's distribution is odd. They have:

4 votes for #1
4 votes for #2
3 votes for #3
0 votes for #4
4 votes for #5

It is relatively unusual to have multiple non-contiguous votes like that. One or maybe two outlier votes are common but not a statistically significant number like this, more than 1/4 of voters have them at #5 while the other ~3/4 have them #1, #2, or #3.

For a normal comparison, here are Wisconsin's votes:

0
0
4
7
3
1

Contiguous games (games between teams adjacent in the rankings):

9/25 #6 RU @ #5 M
10/2 #5 M @ #4 UW
10/2 #10 MN @ #11 PU
10/2 #12 NU @ #13 UNL
10/9 #2 PSU @ #1 IA
10/16 #9 MSU @ #7/8 IU
10/30 #2 PSU @ #3 tOSU
10/30 #7/8 IU @ #7/8 UMD
11/13 #6 RU @ #7/8 IU
11/13 #7/8 UMD @ #9 MSU
11/20 #11 PU vs #12 NU at Wrigley
11/27 #7/8 UMD @ #6 RU
#13 UNL already lost at #14 IL

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 14, 2021, 11:07:36 AM »

What each team has in week 3 / chances to move up or down:

Iowa: Can't really prove much against Kent.
Penn State: Huge game with Auburn. If they win you almost have to move them up, no?
Ohio State: Can't really prove much against Tulsa.
Wisconsin: Off this week
Michigan: Can't really prove much against N. IL.
Rutgers: Can't really prove much against Delaware.
Maryland: Can get a league win!
Indiana: Hosting Cincy is interesting for the Hoosiers. They could move up or down a lot.
Michigan State: This trip to Miami should give us a much better idea of what the Spartans are capable of.
Minnesota: The trip to Boulder is interesting, could move up or down a lot.
Purdue: They could move up with a win over ND.
Northwestern: They could get a P5 win (Dook)
Nebraska: Yeah, not thinking this will be pretty.
Illinois: As putrid as the Illini looked against UTSA and UVA, if they win this weekend they'll be 2-0 in the B1G.

iahawk15 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 14, 2021, 11:40:41 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 14, 2021, 11:07:36 AM

What each team has in week 3 / chances to move up or down:

Iowa: Can't really prove much against Kent.
Penn State: Huge game with Auburn. If they win you almost have to move them up, no?

I already have PSU at #1, but if a poster was ranking based on resume, Iowa should still be ahead PSU even with an Auburn win.

ELA · « **Reply #26 on:** September 15, 2021, 07:52:25 AM »

Last week in parenthesis

IOWA (3) - 2-0 with the toughest schedule
OHIO STATE (1) - even with a loss, takes a resume like Iowa's to jump them
PENN STATE (2) - big chance to move back up this week
WISCONSIN (4) - did what was needed
MICHIGAN (5) - unclear if they can't pass, or just haven't needed to because the run game is so good
MARYLAND (6) - did what they needed to
INDIANA (8) - see above
MICHIGAN STATE (9) - see above and above
PURDUE (10) - see above and above and above
MINNESOTA (7) - should not have been nearly that close against a middling MAC team
RUTGERS (11) - should not have been that close against a bottom feeding ACC team
NORTHWESTERN (12) - that's the Hunter Johnson we all know and love
NEBRASKA (14) - better win than they will get credit for
ILLINOIS (13) - big yikes

Mdot21 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 15, 2021, 07:59:02 AM »

Quote from: ELA on September 15, 2021, 07:52:25 AM

MICHIGAN (5) - unclear if they can't pass, or just haven't needed to because the run game is so good

I'd say it's probably a combo of both. Ronnie Bell is the only proven commodity at WR and he's done for the year. Cade McNamara is probably an average at best QB- but average QB play is light-years ahead of the shit that Tardbaugh has trotted out at QB since Jake Rudock.

Still hoping they make the switch to JJ McCarthy this year- and sooner rather than later.

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