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boilerbanger · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2018, 06:34:19 AM »

Badge, Barcelona is beautiful, enjoy it. I will be headed back there in December for a trip, planning to take the wife with me next summer. I was there in September and was pleasantly surprised how pretty it is there.

Benthere2 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2018, 08:31:24 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 05, 2018, 03:02:31 AM

Oh, and I did see the scores.

Is PJ Barnum's ass warm yet in Minnie?

Is all that #RTB hot air in the #ELITE circus tent starting to suffocate people in year 0.1 yet?

Yeah the fan base is getting restless but PJ did step up and fire the DC which was what needed to happen. His next hire will have to be a good one to save his job as his seat will get hotter the next two years

ELA · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2018, 09:07:30 AM »

Last week in parenthesis...

MICHIGAN (1) - UM and Rutgers are about the only things I'm sure of right now
IOWA (3) - back to back losses, but on the road, and close
OHIO STATE (4) - I guess
MICHIGAN STATE (5) - defense seems to be getting better each week
NORTHWESTERN (6) - had chances at hope against a pair of likely CFP participants, but couldn't pull either off
PURDUE (7) - very nice bounce back
PENN STATE (2) - that was my pick to win the Big Ten?
WISCONSIN (8) - got a W, didn't inspire a ton of confidence
NEBRASKA (10) - no matter how it winds up, should be some excitement going into 2019
MARYLAND (9) - never got a ground attack going, and the offense sputtered
ILLINOIS (13) - their offense is suddenly looking kind of dangerous
MINNESOTA (11) - and there goes any hope of a bowl for Fleck in Year 2, or is it Year 0, Pt. II, I can't remember
INDIANA (12) - that Minnesota loss looks a lot worse
RUTGERS (14) - they actually seem to be making very small strides

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2018, 09:38:45 AM »

(Last,...,Preseason)

1. Michigan (1,1,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,3)

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2. OSU (2,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) -- suspended by a thread
3. MSU (7,7,5,6,6,6,6,6,3,2) -- what a turnaround
4. PSU (3,4,3,2,2,2,2,3,7,6) -- would Franklin have gone for it or kicked the FG if
Stevens hadn't converted?
5. Northwestern (5,8,7,8,10,10,9,8,8,8) -- tempted to put them #2 despite the OOC loss because
of OSU and PSU falling from expectations
6. Purdue (8,6,8,9,9,9,11,9,9,7) -- Maybe Harbaugh shouldn't be COY
7. UW (6,3,4,4,4,4,5,2,2,4)
8. Iowa (4,5,6,5,5,5,3,5,5,5) -- I know it's low but the losses from above are piling up

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9. Nebraska (10,10,12,12,12,11,10,10,10,10)
10. Maryland (9,9,9,10,8,8,8,7,6,9)
11. Minnesota (11,12,11,11,11,12,12,12,12,12)
12. Indiana (12,11,10,7,7,7,7,11,11,11)
13. Illinois (13,13,13,13,13,13,13,14,14,14)
14. Rutger (14,14,14,14,14,14,14,13,13,13)

ELA · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2018, 10:02:22 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on November 05, 2018, 09:38:45 AM

4. PSU (3,4,3,2,2,2,2,3,7,6) -- would Franklin have gone for it or kicked the FG if
Stevens hadn't converted?

Kicked it, after icing his own kicker.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2018, 10:21:17 AM »

Quote from: ELA on November 05, 2018, 09:07:30 AM

MICHIGAN (1) - UM and Rutgers are about the only things I'm sure of right now
IOWA (3) - back to back losses, but on the road, and close

A couple things I thought were funny:

I think your UM/RU comment applies to everyone. So far there are ten voters and all ten have Michigan #1 and RU #14. The other 12 teams are all over the place.
You put a team that has lost two straight at #2 and while I don't agree, it isn't a completely ridiculous assertion. Usually at this point of a season #2 probably wouldn't even have two losses total let alone three total and two straight but that just shows how big the gap is between #1 and #2. So far Ohio State, Iowa, MSU, and NU each have at least one vote for #2 and there is at least a plausible argument for Purdue as well.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2018, 10:29:05 AM »

Hah. With his staff chasing after to stop him, but not in time.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 05, 2018, 10:37:51 AM »

Well, #1 and #14 are obvious. Other than that, who knows.

Michigan: This is obvious.
Ohio State: There is at least a credible argument for tOSU, PSU, IA, MSU, NU, UW, or PU. I'm sticking with the Buckeyes for now.
Michigan State: Defense.
Purdue: Some great results (tOSU, IA) and some terrible results (NU, MSU).
Northwestern: I do not give them much credit for hanging with Notre Dame because I don't think the Irish are nearly as good as they are assumed to be.
Penn State: The Nittany Lions should be somewhere between #2 and #8.
Iowa: They have some "good" close losses against other teams in this range but the problem is that so far this season they are 0-3 against teams in the top half of the conference. Close or not, road or not, eventually you have to win a game.
Wisconsin: I realize that most of RU's points came after the game was decided but still, the Badgers just do not look good to me lately.
Nebraska: There is some recency bias here.
Maryland: Ranking the season as a whole I would put UMD ahead of UNL.
Illinois: Where did that come from?
Minnesota: Ugh, they went from likely bowl team and potential B1G-W dark horse to when does basketball start?
Indiana: When does basketball start?
Rutgers: Ugh.

ELA · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2018, 11:00:43 AM »

Quote from: ELA on November 05, 2018, 09:07:30 AM

Last week in parenthesis...

MICHIGAN (1) - UM and Rutgers are about the only things I'm sure of right now
IOWA (3) - back to back losses, but on the road, and close
OHIO STATE (4) - I guess
MICHIGAN STATE (5) - defense seems to be getting better each week
NORTHWESTERN (6) - had chances at hope against a pair of likely CFP participants, but couldn't pull either off
PURDUE (7) - very nice bounce back
PENN STATE (2) - that was my pick to win the Big Ten?
WISCONSIN (8) - got a W, didn't inspire a ton of confidence
NEBRASKA (10) - no matter how it winds up, should be some excitement going into 2019
MARYLAND (9) - never got a ground attack going, and the offense sputtered
ILLINOIS (13) - their offense is suddenly looking kind of dangerous
MINNESOTA (11) - and there goes any hope of a bowl for Fleck in Year 2, or is it Year 0, Pt. II, I can't remember
INDIANA (12) - that Minnesota loss looks a lot worse
RUTGERS (14) - they actually seem to be making very small strides

How close can we get to some order with transitive property?

I do feel like 2-8 is a group, and 9-13 is a group

PSU, Purdue, UW > Iowa
Purdue > OSU
NW > MSU
NW, MSU > Purdue
OSU, MSU > PSU
NW > UW

So...

NW > MSU > Purdue > OSU > PSU > Iowa

You can actually do that without any transitive breaks, and you can fit Wisconsin anywhere between NW and Iowa, and it still works

9-13 group

NU > Minn
UMD > Minn, Ill
Ill > Minn
Minn > IU

So the bottom doesn't really need to change. As long as you have Minnesota #12 and Indiana #13, you can put the other three 9-11, so long as you have Maryland above Illinois, which I do, so since there is so much of a mess, but somehow, the transitive property still somehow works (which has to never be the case). You don't have to use these to take out my original rankings, but it's funny how clean that actually worked

MICHIGAN (1)
NORTHWESTERN (6)
MICHIGAN STATE (5)
PURDUE (7)
OHIO STATE (4)
PENN STATE (2)
WISCONSIN (8)
IOWA (3)
NEBRASKA (10)
MARYLAND (9)
ILLINOIS (13)
MINNESOTA (11)
INDIANA (12)
RUTGERS (14)

fezzador · « **Reply #23 on:** November 05, 2018, 11:42:54 AM »

1) Michigan
2) Ohio State
3) Penn State
4) Northwestern
5) Wisconsin
6) Michigan State
7) Purdue
8) Iowa
9) Maryland
10) Nebraska
11) Illinois
12) Minnesota
13) Indiana
14) Rutgers

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #24 on:** November 05, 2018, 11:45:55 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on November 05, 2018, 05:03:12 AM

Barcelona is amazing. You lucky sob!
There’s this really good breakfast/brunch place in the Gothic Quarter there called Milk. You should definitely hit that place up!
Not sure Michigan can hang with Bammer. Probably have the only defense that can really slow them down- but that’s all you can do is slow them down. They are still gonna score their points. Michigan doesn’t have the offense to go toe to toe. I think they have the personnel to have that kind of offense- they just don’t have the coaching on that side of the ball. They need to unleash Patterson already, use Chris Evans properly, never throw a pass to Sean McKeon again, get Nick Eubanks more involved in the passing game, and get Tarik Black up to speed and then MAYBE they’d have an offense good enough to possibly keep up. Way that offense has been going though- no shot.

I do feel UM could hang with Bama and Clemson. I think the Offense is the reason.
Michigan’s defense was this elite before especially in 2016. The difference now is they are fresh, and often playing with lead. That really lends itself to Brown’s very aggressive style.

LittlePig · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2018, 12:17:42 PM »

Quote from: ELA on November 05, 2018, 11:00:43 AM

How close can we get to some order with transitive property?

I do feel like 2-8 is a group, and 9-13 is a group

PSU, Purdue, UW > Iowa
Purdue > OSU
NW > MSU
NW, MSU > Purdue
OSU, MSU > PSU
NW > UW

So...

NW > MSU > Purdue > OSU > PSU > Iowa

You can actually do that without any transitive breaks, and you can fit Wisconsin anywhere between NW and Iowa, and it still works

9-13 group

NU > Minn
UMD > Minn, Ill
Ill > Minn
Minn > IU

So the bottom doesn't really need to change. As long as you have Minnesota #12 and Indiana #13, you can put the other three 9-11, so long as you have Maryland above Illinois, which I do, so since there is so much of a mess, but somehow, the transitive property still somehow works (which has to never be the case). You don't have to use these to take out my original rankings, but it's funny how clean that actually worked

MICHIGAN (1)
NORTHWESTERN (6)
MICHIGAN STATE (5)
PURDUE (7)
OHIO STATE (4)
PENN STATE (2)
WISCONSIN (8)
IOWA (3)
NEBRASKA (10)
MARYLAND (9)
ILLINOIS (13)
MINNESOTA (11)
INDIANA (12)
RUTGERS (14)

Yup, you pretty much just duplicated my own rankings and what was my logic behind the order I came up with. Nice Sumnary. The only part where I cheated on my own list is to put Iowa above Wisc.

Now in order for this order to hold this weekend, NW needs to beat Iowa. Otherwise it all falls as apart. It would also help if PSU beats Wisc, but the list won't fall apart if Wisc beats PSU. Then you just move Wisc above PSU.

ELA · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2018, 12:20:07 PM »

And MSU has to beat OSU, otherwise you get an MSU, OSU, Purdue conundrum

LittlePig · « **Reply #27 on:** November 05, 2018, 12:25:22 PM »

Quote from: ELA on November 05, 2018, 12:20:07 PM

And MSU has to beat OSU, otherwise you get an MSU, OSU, Purdue conundrum

Lol, yup, Iorgot about that one.

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