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Topic: B1G academics, and who I *THINK* additional new members will be
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FearlessF · « **Reply #56 on:** July 27, 2022, 10:03:52 AM »

Techsters may be superior in engineering, the Dawgs better in some other disciplines

in the end it's a piece of paper of recognition of achievement

some folks maybe impressed, others not so much

FearlessF · « **Reply #57 on:** July 27, 2022, 10:05:35 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on July 27, 2022, 10:02:55 AM

Absolute best electrical engineer I ever worked with was from UT-San Antonio. Absolute worst electrical engineer I ever worked with was from Stanford.

It's all about what you make of it.

worst engineer I ever worked with had two degrees from Notre Dame

that impressed by boss, who hired him.
Boss had a degree from Penn State

boss later had to fire the ND grad for incompetence

Cincydawg · « **Reply #58 on:** July 27, 2022, 10:06:05 AM »

I figure it can get your foot in a door. I used to interview folks for technician slots, pretty often. I recall interviewing three from Miami U. who were downright worthless. I ended up hiring a guy from Northwestern STATE in Louisiana who was excellent.

It really surprised me how little a lot of grads with 3.8 GPAs knew about chemistry.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 27, 2022, 10:14:56 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on July 27, 2022, 09:13:19 AM

Aside from the issue that USNWR rankings are complete shite, FSU clearly doesn't have a similar academic reputation to most of the B1G schools, and since we're talking about nothing more than perception here anyway, I'd say that's what's most important to those who care about the academic prestige of an athletics conference.

But it doesn't matter anyway. Warren is already stating publicly that being an AAU member isn't a requirement, which I read as an admission that any future takes aren't going to be so vigorously vetted for their academics, anyway.

I don't think the rankings are completely worthless but I get where you are coming from. Some of it is specific to programs. A given school may be overall middling but have a REALLY good underwater basket weaving program or vice-versa.

My guess is that Warren said that specifically because Notre Dame is not AAU.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #60 on:** July 27, 2022, 10:20:10 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 27, 2022, 09:59:46 AM

Germany sends about 30% of their HS grads to college, in the US it's around 63%, over half. It's almost like it is a business.

We are getting WAY into the weeds here but this has long been a pet peeve of mine.

Only around 1/3 of US adults have a degree but around 2/3 go to college. Thus, roughly half are simply wasting their time and their (and in many cases our) money. This is a ludicrous waste and they would be vastly better off learning HVAC, auto repair, plumbing, or some other trade.

FearlessF · « **Reply #61 on:** July 27, 2022, 10:24:54 AM »

and of the 1/3 that have degrees, a percentage have little value

don't get my brother, the doctor of education, started on colleges printing degrees for money

utee94 · « **Reply #62 on:** July 27, 2022, 10:31:54 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 27, 2022, 10:14:56 AM

I don't think the rankings are completely worthless but I get where you are coming from. Some of it is specific to programs. A given school may be overall middling but have a REALLY good underwater basket weaving program or vice-versa.

My guess is that Warren said that specifically because Notre Dame is not AAU.

The main problem is that some of the criteria they use are pretty much irrelevant to actual academic missions and academic outcomes. And some of those irrelevant criteria are easily manipulated because they are self-reported by the institutions, and there have been cases of these institutions getting busted for lying, but of course there's no accountability because it's just a magazine ranking anyway.

Honestly I think they're WORSE than worthless because there's evidence going back decades that they're being manipulated by various institutions. Random error would be better than the misrepresentative results of direct manipulation.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #63 on:** July 27, 2022, 11:44:13 AM »

They certainly can be manipulated, but I'd guess the top 20 or so are good schools, and the next 30 are decent schools.

I find it amusing they rank say 233 as better than 307. And I think most folks have a general understanding of the elite schools, independent of who might be really elite in a certain major. Ask around.

I still laught at my reaction when I asked my professors about grad schools.

utee94 · « **Reply #64 on:** July 27, 2022, 11:47:54 AM »

If we all know who the top 20 schools are, then the rankings for 1-20 are useless and irrelevant.

That leaves the jockeying and lying and manipulations occurring in the 21-100 ranks, and so those ratings are also completely useless and utter shite.

That's the entire point.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #65 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:07:37 PM »

I'd be more concerned about the rankings if I thought many folks really relied on them for such decisions, e.g., going to 50 instead of 60 when perhaps 60 is overall a better fit.

utee94 · « **Reply #66 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:18:10 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 27, 2022, 12:07:37 PM

I'd be more concerned about the rankings if I thought many folks really relied on them for such decisions, e.g., going to 50 instead of 60 when perhaps 60 is overall a better fit.

They're brought up constantly in discussions (like this one) and they're stupid and irrelevant. That's all.

I'd expect any smart person to make the college decision based on the expected quality of education in their preferred discipline, affordability, potential job prospects in their chosen field, how cute are the coeds, and other such metrics.

FearlessF · « **Reply #67 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:29:15 PM »

and the value of the athletic department on entertainment

847badgerfan · « **Reply #68 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:44:44 PM »

ND, Furd, FSU and Miami and call it done.

FearlessF · « **Reply #69 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:53:28 PM »

add, ND and UT-Austin

no to Oklahoma, Washington, Oregon, and Stanford

cut Rutgers and MAryland

Two 8 team divisions - 9 conference games - one cross over permanent or otherwise

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