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Topic: Athlon's preseason top-25

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Mdot21

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2022, 06:19:54 PM »
it just looks different when McCarthy is out there....he's way more elusive, he accelerates way quicker when on the move and is way faster in a straight line, he's got a way bigger arm, he throws a better looking, tighter spiral and the ball gets to where it's going a lot faster which allows him to fit balls into tight windows that Cade just can't. He's just a more naturally gifted thrower and athlete than Cade....by a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVouqoyZEpA
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2022, 06:46:27 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on June 09, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
coaches don't always play the better players. they are human after all....they play favorites and they are often wrong.

Lots of guys can do it in practice but not in the games. Other guys stink at practice but shine in the games. Ask Allen Iverson- who basically never practiced or took it incredibly lightly- but when game time rolled around he was one of the 5 or so best basketball players on planet earth for over a decade.
While these things are both to a degree true, they both sort of obfuscate the point.

Coaches don't always play the better players, but the majority of times, they do. And fans are always pulling for favorites, often based on having less information about them than the non-favorites (and, of course, coaches have thousands of times the information fans do). Sometimes people who build houses are very wrong about things, but that doesn't mean they don't know how to build better houses than the average persons. 

The games/practice thing is often silly. Iverson didn't like drills and was somewhat unserious about his craft, but if you played 5-on-5, he'd try to destroy you. You get people who are already that good or are oddball savants, but for the most part, if I say, "You will get to play more if you do football things in a football setting," the players who do the football things best tend to be very good at football. This logically follows. 

But in the end, I'll fall back on what I said. Whoever runs the offense better should probably start. Because an offense being run well empowers the actual play-makers. Now there's an interplay that in theory more raw talent can make the offense better overall even if it's being "run" slightly worse, but if the young fella doesn't know what he's doing, you're gonna get a worse offense. 
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2022, 07:33:33 PM »
In the world of Top-25s, I thought I posted something about success rates and such, but I guess my phone ate it. Anyway, thought it would be interesting to look at 2021's final Top-25 and where they started. (Going with AP because that's the only post top-25, though I could see a good argument for going with the pre-bowl numbers owing to how much bowls warp the final rankings). First number is final rankings, what's next is where they started. 


1. 5
2. 1
3. Unranked, 32nd in total votes (2-5 in 2020 Hi Michigan)
4. 8
5. Unranked (2-7 in 2020)
6. 5
7. Unranked (1st team out, 8-3 in 2020)
8. 9
9. Unranked (2-5 in 2020)
10. 2
11. Unranked (2nd team out, 5-5 in 2020)
12. 24
13. Unranked (6-5 in 2020)
14. 3
15. Unranked (4-5 in 2020)
16. 23
17. Unranked (13th team out, 3-5 in 2020, AAC)
18. Unranked (10th team out, 4-6 in 2020)
19. Unranked (11-1 in 2020, but lost star QB, mid-major)
20. Unranked (8-4 in 2020)
21. Unranked (3-7 in 2020)
22. 11
23. 18
24. Unranked (1-5 in 2020 MWest)
25. Unranked (4-4 in 2020, West)
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2022, 08:32:57 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on June 09, 2022, 06:19:54 PM
it just looks different when McCarthy is out there....he's way more elusive, he accelerates way quicker when on the move and is way faster in a straight line, he's got a way bigger arm, he throws a better looking, tighter spiral and the ball gets to where it's going a lot faster which allows him to fit balls into tight windows that Cade just can't. He's just a more naturally gifted thrower and athlete than Cade....by a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVouqoyZEpA
Talk about beating a dead horse.  FFS
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The entirety of your paragraph AGAIN is literally all physical tools AGAIN and has nothing to do with knowledge of the playbook AGAIN or demeanor in a difficult situation AGAIN.
Has anyone on the planet suggested McCarthy has inferior physical tools?  I honest-to-god don't know who your post's audience is supposed to be.  
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2022, 10:17:33 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 09, 2022, 08:32:57 PM
Talk about beating a dead horse.  FFS
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The entirety of your paragraph AGAIN is literally all physical tools AGAIN and has nothing to do with knowledge of the playbook AGAIN or demeanor in a difficult situation AGAIN.
Has anyone on the planet suggested McCarthy has inferior physical tools?  I honest-to-god don't know who your post's audience is supposed to be. 
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2022, 10:56:46 PM »
If you want to confirm that I'm right, insult me.  If I was wrong, you'd have said so.  Thanks for the concession.  
But honestly, for everyone's sake, post about ANYTHING else.
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2022, 12:44:55 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on June 09, 2022, 06:08:10 PM
Agree on all fronts.

I don't think they should fire him. I think they should chop his balls off though and tell him...THIS is your OC....THIS is the style of offense you're playing....you're ordered to stay out...and JJ is the starter. If I was the AD I'd dictate those terms to him. What's he really going to do? He's not going to quit. The Vikings looked at him very closely and then said nah....hard pass. He has no other options til next year. IF you find the right OC who can take JJ and catapult this offense out of the stone age and into the modern age- then even if Harbaugh gets pissed off that he got his balls chopped off and then leaves next year for the NFL- just promote the OC.

Michigan needs to find it's Ryan Day. Not saying you're going to even get an offensive minded coach that good....but even if you get Diet Ryan Day - that's a win compared to with the crap you've got for offensive coaching now.
This would be an amusing type of disfunction. 
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2022, 12:53:57 AM »
The McCarthy decision tree is gonna be interesting.

The baseline assumption is already that he's 100 percent ready to rock. So if things go wrong, it'll be someone else's fault. And if he doesn't start, it'll be coaching malpractice. Like, he could go DJ U and it'll all be blamed on someone else. And if the incumbent starts and they're anything but Mac Jones-led Bama, it'll be a case of leaving something out there. 

Shoot, it's gosh dang June and he's already got a wolverine hot under the collar at the staff. 
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2022, 07:54:01 AM »
I stopped by a Barnes and Ignoble for a book to read on the flight (bought two) and picked up an Athlon and scanned it some.  I learn more around here, really.  But it is somewhat entertaining.  I read the books on the plane and at the lounge (which at LAX is very nice).

San Diego must be the nicest of the three larger cities in CA from what I could discern.
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2022, 10:03:06 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 09, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
I'm hoping McNamara runs out there for the opening drive of the season so that mdot's response can rival that of Fukushima or Chernobyl. 
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2022, 10:04:03 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 10, 2022, 07:54:01 AM
I stopped by a Barnes and Ignoble for a book to read on the flight (bought two) and picked up an Athlon and scanned it some.  I learn more around here, really.  But it is somewhat entertaining.  I read the books on the plane and at the lounge (which at LAX is very nice).

San Diego must be the nicest of the three larger cities in CA from what I could discern.
Did ya visit South Central ?
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2022, 10:11:48 AM »
I drove from LAX to northern SD and saw some of that, and then drove back, so no.

The traffic going down was bad, stop and go for miles and miles, wore me out.  I guess it's cheaper to fly to LAX than SD.
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2022, 10:25:27 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 10, 2022, 07:54:01 AM
I stopped by a Barnes and Ignoble for a book to read on the flight (bought two) and picked up an Athlon and scanned it some.  I learn more around here, really.  But it is somewhat entertaining.  I read the books on the plane and at the lounge (which at LAX is very nice).

San Diego must be the nicest of the three larger cities in CA from what I could discern.
I'm shocked book stores still exist with Amazon. Shit, I'm kinda shocked retail stores still exist with Amazon just crushing and destroying all retail.
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2022, 10:26:51 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 09, 2022, 10:56:46 PM
If you want to confirm that I'm right, insult me.  If I was wrong, you'd have said so.  Thanks for the concession. 
But honestly, for everyone's sake, post about ANYTHING else.
LOL. I'm just kidding! Wasn't an insult. You're 100% right, I need to let it go lol. I'm just kinda over the Harbaugh experiment and was kinda hoping he'd have gone to the NFL and they'd have promoted Gattis. 
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