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Topic: Athlon's preseason top-25

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2022, 09:42:14 AM »
didn't they see the vegas odds of nebraska winning the west???
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2022, 08:57:34 PM »
UGA WAY too high
they are the defending champs, by default that'll always put them near the top on these lazy take pre-season lists.

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2022, 01:27:06 AM »
I'm certain either Kentucky OR Arkansas will not build on last season's success.  
As in go the other way.
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2022, 09:12:28 AM »
That time of year. My 2022 Lindy’s College Football National Preview arrived yesterday. An SEC West cover featuring LSU/Arkansas. This marks 24 years buying a Lindy’s preview, every year, dating back to 1999.

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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2022, 09:20:14 AM »
99 was a very good year
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2022, 09:24:49 AM »
99 was a very good year
I certainly partied like it.
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2022, 09:25:26 AM »
That time of year. My 2022 Lindy’s College Football National Preview arrived yesterday. An SEC West cover featuring LSU/Arkansas. This marks 24 years buying a Lindy’s preview, every year, dating back to 1999.
My first was 1994, except Athlon.  I tried to order the MSU specific cover, but the magazines are up to $12 a piece, and then double that for shipping.  I'll just get whatever PSU/Pitt/WVU cover I see locally

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2022, 10:38:05 AM »
Clemson at #4 strikes me as far too high a ranking. I have heard their D-line is supposed to be excellent, but they lose both coordinators, after a sub-par year. Dabo and company are going to be tested this year, even though the ACC is a complete joke, in terms of strength. Their strength used to be that nobody left the coaching staff and their football culture - a team in transition.

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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2022, 11:49:15 AM »
Clemson at #4 strikes me as far too high a ranking. I have heard their D-line is supposed to be excellent, but they lose both coordinators, after a sub-par year. Dabo and company are going to be tested this year, even though the ACC is a complete joke, in terms of strength. Their strength used to be that nobody left the coaching staff and their football culture - a team in transition.
I agree. Lots of questions remain unanswered.
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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2022, 12:15:24 PM »
Clemson at #4 strikes me as far too high a ranking. I have heard their D-line is supposed to be excellent, but they lose both coordinators, after a sub-par year. Dabo and company are going to be tested this year, even though the ACC is a complete joke, in terms of strength. Their strength used to be that nobody left the coaching staff and their football culture - a team in transition.
Seeing how Clemson does this year is one of the biggest things I am looking forward to this season.  What Dabo accomplished there especially from 2015-2020 is nothing short of astounding so the question is, can they bounce back to that after a bit of a down year in 2021 or not?  

Dabo coached part of 2008 as an interim coach going 4-3 including a bowl loss to finish that season.  In his full seasons:
  • 2009:  9-5/6-2 W division, L CG, W bowl finished #24
  • 2010:  6-7/4-4 L bowl, finished nr
  • 2011:  10-4/6-2 W division, W CG, L bowl, finished #22
  • 2012:  11-2/7-1 W division, L CG, W bowl, finished #11
  • 2013:  11-2/7-1 W bowl, finished #8
  • 2014:  10-3/6-2 W bowl, finished #15
  • 2015:  14-1/8-0 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, L CFP CG, finished #2
  • 2016:  14-1/7-1 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, W CFP CG, finished #1
  • 2017:  12-2/7-1 W division, W CG, L CFP Semi-final, finished #4
  • 2018:  15-0/8-0 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, W CFP CG, finished #1
  • 2019:  14-1/8-0 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, L CFP CG, finished #2
  • 2020:  10-2/8-1 W CG berth in divisionless CG, W CG, L CFP Semi-final, finished #3
  • 2021:  10-3/6-2 W bowl, finished #14
You referred to 2021 as "a sub-par year."  It was, but only in the context of what Dabo accomplished from about 2012-2020 and especially 2015-2020.  In the six years from 2015-2020 Clemson made the CFP EVERY year and never finished worse than 12-2 and #4.  If you compared 2021 to probably any other six years in Clemson's entire history it would be no worse than "pretty good" and in a lot of six year periods a year like 2021 would have been the highlight!  

The interesting question is whether or not 2015-2020 is Clemson's "new normal".  Was 2021 a down year from that "new normal" or was 2021 a return to closer to Clemson's historical norms?  

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2022, 01:27:25 PM »
Clemson at #4 strikes me as far too high a ranking. I have heard their D-line is supposed to be excellent, but they lose both coordinators, after a sub-par year. Dabo and company are going to be tested this year, even though the ACC is a complete joke, in terms of strength. Their strength used to be that nobody left the coaching staff and their football culture - a team in transition.
I always assume that’s a nod to talent and schedule. It used to be a nod to talent, coaching and schedule.

I’d be interested for someone to study where everyone in the final polls started. Maybe a task for later this week.

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2022, 10:47:06 PM »
Seeing how Clemson does this year is one of the biggest things I am looking forward to this season.  What Dabo accomplished there especially from 2015-2020 is nothing short of astounding so the question is, can they bounce back to that after a bit of a down year in 2021 or not? 

Dabo coached part of 2008 as an interim coach going 4-3 including a bowl loss to finish that season.  In his full seasons:
  • 2009:  9-5/6-2 W division, L CG, W bowl finished #24
  • 2010:  6-7/4-4 L bowl, finished nr
  • 2011:  10-4/6-2 W division, W CG, L bowl, finished #22
  • 2012:  11-2/7-1 W division, L CG, W bowl, finished #11
  • 2013:  11-2/7-1 W bowl, finished #8
  • 2014:  10-3/6-2 W bowl, finished #15
  • 2015:  14-1/8-0 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, L CFP CG, finished #2
  • 2016:  14-1/7-1 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, W CFP CG, finished #1
  • 2017:  12-2/7-1 W division, W CG, L CFP Semi-final, finished #4
  • 2018:  15-0/8-0 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, W CFP CG, finished #1
  • 2019:  14-1/8-0 W division, W CG, W CFP Semi-final, L CFP CG, finished #2
  • 2020:  10-2/8-1 W CG berth in divisionless CG, W CG, L CFP Semi-final, finished #3
  • 2021:  10-3/6-2 W bowl, finished #14
You referred to 2021 as "a sub-par year."  It was, but only in the context of what Dabo accomplished from about 2012-2020 and especially 2015-2020.  In the six years from 2015-2020 Clemson made the CFP EVERY year and never finished worse than 12-2 and #4.  If you compared 2021 to probably any other six years in Clemson's entire history it would be no worse than "pretty good" and in a lot of six year periods a year like 2021 would have been the highlight! 

The interesting question is whether or not 2015-2020 is Clemson's "new normal".  Was 2021 a down year from that "new normal" or was 2021 a return to closer to Clemson's historical norms? 

Agree, prior to Clemson’s recent amazing success, I thought of the program, as one of the two greatest underachievers (considering resources, access to talent and fan interest), the other being Georgia (until quite recently) in CFB. Frankly, I have always been suspicious of Clemson’s sudden success out of nowhere, that isn’t the way it normally happens (there is a slow build to excellence). The hardest thing is to go from being a consistently good program, to an elite level. Clemson is elite in the ACC, but not in the B1G or SEC IMO. They dominate a very weak conference, I can’t think of another ACC team that I consider intimidating. I’m not saying they are terrible, or bad - just not #4 (after losing so much from the coaching staff and having a questionable QB situation). New coordinators mean an adjustment period, no matter the team.

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2022, 11:06:11 AM »
Clemson at #4 strikes me as far too high a ranking. I have heard their D-line is supposed to be excellent, but they lose both coordinators, after a sub-par year. Dabo and company are going to be tested this year, even though the ACC is a complete joke, in terms of strength. Their strength used to be that nobody left the coaching staff and their football culture - a team in transition.
yeah definitely agree with this. Clemson still has QB issues. They catapulted to elite status when they had DeShaun Watson and then Trevor Lawerence. ELITE players in college and high 1st round draft pick talents. They don't have that anymore....

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Re: Athlon's preseason top-25
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2022, 11:16:21 AM »
99 was a very good year
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