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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2018, 10:36:32 PM »
The Mississippi schools are already in the tank, historically.  If it wasn't for Vandy, they'd be duking it out each year to see who's Vandy.  

If you went back 80 years and only allowed the state of Mississippi to have one D-1 football program, then it'd be as good as anyone else's.  They'd have some Heismans, some national championships, all of it.  
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2018, 10:44:37 PM »
that's fine, historically and especially in the past 80 years there's been plenty of cheating

seems everyone just wants things to continue for the next 80-120 years since the $$$ is flowing
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2018, 11:28:05 PM »
Kentucky is just as bad as Vandy and the MS twins. 
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2018, 12:06:51 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 03, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
NCAA and University Presidents have teeth, they chose not to use them.
The NCAA put some teeth into Penn St. not long ago.  If the NCAA would cripple a program like Ole Miss the university pres and the other SEC programs would be forced to do something.
maybe a post-season ban of 8 years along with scholarship limit of 40 instead of 85 for the 8 seasons - put them in the tank for a decade - hurt the SEC in the process.
or just slap some wrists and keep raking in the $$$
The NCAA can not do a thing to your program if you block them from access.   They have had to rely on outside organizations more than their internal capabilities.  Regarding PSU... the NCAA had no authority on the matter.  PSU could have said "pound sand".  But revelations and facts create an atmosphere (and rightfully so) of cooperation and agreement.   Nothing PSU did helped in winning games and the NCAA had no authority.  So I'd said the NCAA still has little teeth...
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2018, 12:14:11 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 01, 2018, 07:25:39 PM
I would think it would be much tougher now, in the age of social media and cell phone cameras.
I'd also speculate that it was a lot easier to keep the players out of trouble, so long as the PD and DA are fans.
I know we still see corruption like the situation in Tallehassee with Shameless Jameis, but that was still National News whereas in the 70s they'd've swept that bad boy under the rug faster than Roscoe P Coltrane can wreck a cruiser.
I get what you are saying, but pictures have come out and nothing happens..   If I want to give you a free meal or free shirts, no issues.  Let me swipe this Amex Gift card and give the card back to you with your new shirt or steak dinner.   Dad needs help, here is some cash in your car that is parked in a secured lot.... no cameras involved.   The pressure to win is higher now than in the 70's.  Coaches get fired a lot more often.   How many coaches bend the rules to stay employed?  How many universities?   How many boosters?  Money changes the moral bell curve.   jmo.. 
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2018, 12:49:35 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 01, 2018, 07:25:39 PM
I would think it would be much tougher now, in the age of social media and cell phone cameras.
I'd also speculate that it was a lot easier to keep the players out of trouble, so long as the PD and DA are fans.
I know we still see corruption like the situation in Tallehassee with Shameless Jameis, but that was still National News whereas in the 70s they'd've swept that bad boy under the rug faster than Roscoe P Coltrane can wreck a cruiser.
Plus the media.  How much national coverage was there of the college football offseason even 20 years ago?  Very little.  It was all the local guys, and they knew, but they weren't telling.  Now, even if it's the local guy who finds out, he/she knows the only way to make it out of being stuck at local is to get the national story, so they are willing to blow up the local program, if it means they can get to a national media outlet.
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2018, 12:53:17 PM »
what local person has blown up a story lately?   I can't think of any, but perhaps that's a memory issue and I've missed a really good point..
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2018, 03:02:28 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
The NCAA can not do a thing to your program if you block them from access.   They have had to rely on outside organizations more than their internal capabilities.  Regarding PSU... the NCAA had no authority on the matter.  PSU could have said "pound sand".  But revelations and facts create an atmosphere (and rightfully so) of cooperation and agreement.   Nothing PSU did helped in winning games and the NCAA had no authority.  So I'd said the NCAA still has little teeth...
I'm not sure, but I would guess if the program blocks access and does not cooperate, the NCAA can issue sanctions.
I would guess they don't really need a good reason to take scholarships and ban post season play
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2018, 03:35:57 PM »
fearless... do you think NC allowed the NCAA access to all their records, or just what they wanted to share...  cooperation is in the eye of the beholder.    I'd propose many universities supply enough to block the investigation... =)
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2018, 03:41:39 PM »
we all know it's just a sham.

the NCAA Enforcement people do what they are told by the Div 1 board of directors

as you said, the university presidents, especially those in the SEC don't want one or two of their member programs crippled
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2018, 03:42:05 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 12:53:17 PM
what local person has blown up a story lately?   I can't think of any, but perhaps that's a memory issue and I've missed a really good point..
I think it was a local guy with the UM Practice Gate.  I know with the MSU Nassar stuff, a bunch of the FOIA requests have been by Lansing writers.  I just wanted to also make sure to include the caveat where it is a local breaking the story.
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2018, 03:42:24 PM »
There's a reason Oliver Luck decided he'd rather work for the XFL than the NCAA today
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2018, 03:45:40 PM »
I thought Nassar was broke by an Indianapolis news reporter...??

regarding Luck and XFL.. yep.   The NCAA really has no power if cooperation is withheld.   It would be very frustrating working for them in compliance.   At least, I'd find it that way...  
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Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2018, 04:09:17 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 03:45:40 PM
I thought Nassar was broke by an Indianapolis news reporter...??

regarding Luck and XFL.. yep.   The NCAA really has no power if cooperation is withheld.   It would be very frustrating working for them in compliance.   At least, I'd find it that way...  
The initial story?  Yes.  But a lot of the subsequent stories about MSU's response.  IIRC the original Indy story was heavier into his dealings with USA Gymnastics, Indy being where it's headquartered or something?
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