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Title: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on May 31, 2018, 12:21:02 PM
https://www.sbnation.com/a/ole-miss-leo-lewis-ncaa-enforcement-recruitment-violations (https://www.sbnation.com/a/ole-miss-leo-lewis-ncaa-enforcement-recruitment-violations)
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 31, 2018, 03:53:32 PM
I'm still wondering why that program wasn't burned to the ground. That's some serious shit.

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Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 31, 2018, 05:15:26 PM
A booster provided the gas mask?
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 31, 2018, 05:34:18 PM
Probably the weed too.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on June 01, 2018, 10:57:54 AM
The NCAA has no teeth.  School Presidents will not provide the teeth.  Cooperation = punishment.   Cheaters win.

I do believe cheating is worse now than ever.  The amount of money involved in college sports compared to the 70's or 80's makes me believe this has to be true.  
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: FearlessF on June 01, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
read about half of it the day it was posted, haven't had time to finish
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 01, 2018, 07:25:39 PM
The NCAA has no teeth.  School Presidents will not provide the teeth.  Cooperation = punishment.   Cheaters win.

I do believe cheating is worse now than ever.  The amount of money involved in college sports compared to the 70's or 80's makes me believe this has to be true.  
I would think it would be much tougher now, in the age of social media and cell phone cameras.
I'd also speculate that it was a lot easier to keep the players out of trouble, so long as the PD and DA are fans.
I know we still see corruption like the situation in Tallehassee with Shameless Jameis, but that was still National News whereas in the 70s they'd've swept that bad boy under the rug faster than Roscoe P Coltrane can wreck a cruiser.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 01, 2018, 07:50:04 PM
Think of what Ole Miss, UNC, and others have done in the past decade plus.....then imagine what it would take for a school to get the death penalty, lol.  Never happening again.  Ever.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2018, 01:11:49 PM
Money
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 03, 2018, 09:01:35 PM
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Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
The NCAA has no teeth.  School Presidents will not provide the teeth.  Cooperation = punishment.   Cheaters win.
NCAA and University Presidents have teeth, they chose not to use them.
The NCAA put some teeth into Penn St. not long ago.  If the NCAA would cripple a program like Ole Miss the university pres and the other SEC programs would be forced to do something.
maybe a post-season ban of 8 years along with scholarship limit of 40 instead of 85 for the 8 seasons - put them in the tank for a decade - hurt the SEC in the process.
or just slap some wrists and keep raking in the $$$
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 03, 2018, 10:04:58 PM
The SEC might have a couple of university presidents that don't have any teeth. 
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: MarqHusker on June 03, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
You're gonna look funny eating corn a cob with no f ing teeth.

Great movie line.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2018, 10:34:50 PM
almost too many great lines in the Blues Brothers

don't click if yall can't take F bombs

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Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 03, 2018, 10:36:32 PM
The Mississippi schools are already in the tank, historically.  If it wasn't for Vandy, they'd be duking it out each year to see who's Vandy.  

If you went back 80 years and only allowed the state of Mississippi to have one D-1 football program, then it'd be as good as anyone else's.  They'd have some Heismans, some national championships, all of it.  
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2018, 10:44:37 PM
that's fine, historically and especially in the past 80 years there's been plenty of cheating

seems everyone just wants things to continue for the next 80-120 years since the $$$ is flowing
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 03, 2018, 11:28:05 PM
Kentucky is just as bad as Vandy and the MS twins. 
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
NCAA and University Presidents have teeth, they chose not to use them.
The NCAA put some teeth into Penn St. not long ago.  If the NCAA would cripple a program like Ole Miss the university pres and the other SEC programs would be forced to do something.
maybe a post-season ban of 8 years along with scholarship limit of 40 instead of 85 for the 8 seasons - put them in the tank for a decade - hurt the SEC in the process.
or just slap some wrists and keep raking in the $$$
The NCAA can not do a thing to your program if you block them from access.   They have had to rely on outside organizations more than their internal capabilities.  Regarding PSU... the NCAA had no authority on the matter.  PSU could have said "pound sand".  But revelations and facts create an atmosphere (and rightfully so) of cooperation and agreement.   Nothing PSU did helped in winning games and the NCAA had no authority.  So I'd said the NCAA still has little teeth...
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 12:14:11 PM
I would think it would be much tougher now, in the age of social media and cell phone cameras.
I'd also speculate that it was a lot easier to keep the players out of trouble, so long as the PD and DA are fans.
I know we still see corruption like the situation in Tallehassee with Shameless Jameis, but that was still National News whereas in the 70s they'd've swept that bad boy under the rug faster than Roscoe P Coltrane can wreck a cruiser.
I get what you are saying, but pictures have come out and nothing happens..   If I want to give you a free meal or free shirts, no issues.  Let me swipe this Amex Gift card and give the card back to you with your new shirt or steak dinner.   Dad needs help, here is some cash in your car that is parked in a secured lot.... no cameras involved.   The pressure to win is higher now than in the 70's.  Coaches get fired a lot more often.   How many coaches bend the rules to stay employed?  How many universities?   How many boosters?  Money changes the moral bell curve.   jmo.. 
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: ELA on June 05, 2018, 12:49:35 PM
I would think it would be much tougher now, in the age of social media and cell phone cameras.
I'd also speculate that it was a lot easier to keep the players out of trouble, so long as the PD and DA are fans.
I know we still see corruption like the situation in Tallehassee with Shameless Jameis, but that was still National News whereas in the 70s they'd've swept that bad boy under the rug faster than Roscoe P Coltrane can wreck a cruiser.
Plus the media.  How much national coverage was there of the college football offseason even 20 years ago?  Very little.  It was all the local guys, and they knew, but they weren't telling.  Now, even if it's the local guy who finds out, he/she knows the only way to make it out of being stuck at local is to get the national story, so they are willing to blow up the local program, if it means they can get to a national media outlet.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 12:53:17 PM
what local person has blown up a story lately?   I can't think of any, but perhaps that's a memory issue and I've missed a really good point..
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: FearlessF on June 05, 2018, 03:02:28 PM
The NCAA can not do a thing to your program if you block them from access.   They have had to rely on outside organizations more than their internal capabilities.  Regarding PSU... the NCAA had no authority on the matter.  PSU could have said "pound sand".  But revelations and facts create an atmosphere (and rightfully so) of cooperation and agreement.   Nothing PSU did helped in winning games and the NCAA had no authority.  So I'd said the NCAA still has little teeth...
I'm not sure, but I would guess if the program blocks access and does not cooperate, the NCAA can issue sanctions.
I would guess they don't really need a good reason to take scholarships and ban post season play
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 03:35:57 PM
fearless... do you think NC allowed the NCAA access to all their records, or just what they wanted to share...  cooperation is in the eye of the beholder.    I'd propose many universities supply enough to block the investigation... =)
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: FearlessF on June 05, 2018, 03:41:39 PM
we all know it's just a sham.

the NCAA Enforcement people do what they are told by the Div 1 board of directors

as you said, the university presidents, especially those in the SEC don't want one or two of their member programs crippled
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: ELA on June 05, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
what local person has blown up a story lately?   I can't think of any, but perhaps that's a memory issue and I've missed a really good point..
I think it was a local guy with the UM Practice Gate.  I know with the MSU Nassar stuff, a bunch of the FOIA requests have been by Lansing writers.  I just wanted to also make sure to include the caveat where it is a local breaking the story.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: ELA on June 05, 2018, 03:42:24 PM
There's a reason Oliver Luck decided he'd rather work for the XFL than the NCAA today
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on June 05, 2018, 03:45:40 PM
I thought Nassar was broke by an Indianapolis news reporter...??

regarding Luck and XFL.. yep.   The NCAA really has no power if cooperation is withheld.   It would be very frustrating working for them in compliance.   At least, I'd find it that way...  
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: ELA on June 05, 2018, 04:09:17 PM
I thought Nassar was broke by an Indianapolis news reporter...??

regarding Luck and XFL.. yep.   The NCAA really has no power if cooperation is withheld.   It would be very frustrating working for them in compliance.   At least, I'd find it that way...  
The initial story?  Yes.  But a lot of the subsequent stories about MSU's response.  IIRC the original Indy story was heavier into his dealings with USA Gymnastics, Indy being where it's headquartered or something?
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2018, 04:43:02 PM
what local person has blown up a story lately?   
2000 - Wisconsin State Journal (Madison paper) exposes discount shoe store for giving discounts on shoes to student-athletes. 
Result: Suspensions, scholarships and a very long probation. It hurt. Each athlete involved got about $150 in discounts, or so.
Oh.. You said lately.
It was ELA saying the locals wouldn't tell, 20 years ago. In this case.. they did.
A report in the Wisconsin State Journal prompted the university's investigation that found 157 athletes in 14 sports violated NCAA rules by accepting at least $23,000 in unadvertised discounts from The Shoe Box, a store 25 miles from Madison in Black Earth.

"This wasn't one or two athletes and someone bought them a Diet Coke. This was hundreds of kids involving thousands of dollars. That's significant," Yeager said.

The NCAA placed the school on a 5 year probation and reduced the number of football scholarships the university can offer in the 2002-03 and 2003-04 school years from 25 to 20. It also ordered the school to cut a men's basketball scholarship in 2003-04.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2018, 01:18:40 PM
What happens if I have deep pockets and simply pay kids to go where I want, perhaps not even on scholarship? I might pay the parents.  Is that illegal?

I pay the gift tax as well.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 06, 2018, 01:54:11 PM
I don't think it would be illegal, so long as taxes are being paid.

Not being illegal doesn't make it against NCAA rules though.
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: FearlessF on June 06, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
What happens if I have deep pockets and simply pay kids to go where I want, perhaps not even on scholarship? I might pay the parents.  Is that illegal?

I pay the gift tax as well.
someone paid Cam Newton's dad.
Didn't cause a problem
Title: Re: Article on Ole Miss and the NCAA
Post by: Entropy on June 07, 2018, 09:25:40 AM
it is certainly an area that I'd guess is being abused...