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Topic: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #168 on: September 29, 2019, 11:01:15 AM »
I just did it funny how much the result changes the discussion. Had they succeeded with the 2pt and won the game, I doubt many of the people second guessing the decision would still be analyzing it. 
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #169 on: September 29, 2019, 11:09:17 AM »
Around here, we analyze everything.

The NW 2 pointer decisions were bizarre to me though.
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #170 on: September 29, 2019, 11:10:00 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 29, 2019, 10:58:40 AM
Can you stop with your silly, IMPRECISE assertions that your POV tops that of others who cherry pick their arguement like you do yours.You obviously don't know how things would have turned out if UNC goes for the tie.We obviously know how things turned out when they didn't.See how that works.There was nothing in Clemsons body of work yesterday afternoon that guaranteed go ahead or winning.No one is blasting Mack Brown's decision just suggesting they would have tried a different plan of attack.It's all right to have conlicting views with out condescending drivel
This approach basically implies we will always be second-guessing for our own amusement. It implies that if he kicked and they lost in OT we would then argue he should've gone for it. 

And to that point, Clemson had an edge of about 1.1 yards per play, which would be something in the day's body of work to suggest Clemson was more likely to win. 
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #171 on: September 29, 2019, 11:16:04 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 29, 2019, 11:01:15 AM
I just did it funny how much the result changes the discussion. Had they succeeded with the 2pt and won the game, I doubt many of the people second guessing the decision would still be analyzing it.
I agree with it if there are mismatches or the element of surprise go for it.I'm just not a big proponent see the Widcats vs UW.I'd call it a ballsy call if they made it and am not saying it doesn't have it's place
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #172 on: September 29, 2019, 11:17:39 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 29, 2019, 11:10:00 AM
This approach basically implies we will always be second-guessing for our own amusement. It implies that if he kicked and they lost in OT we would then argue he should've gone for it.

And to that point, Clemson had an edge of about 1.1 yards per play, which would be something in the day's body of work to suggest Clemson was more likely to win.
I was just defending your take that's all :-[.And the guys I watched with in real time said go for the tie,I realize the scenarios
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #173 on: September 29, 2019, 11:24:53 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 29, 2019, 10:16:23 AM
You forgot to adjust for the line. Clemson actually has a 56.78 percent chance of winning down 1 in that spot.

And if it's tied, that percentage is 85.36. Kick, and you have a less than 15 percent chance of winning.
NW & UNC both lost yesterday going for multiple 2 pt convertions,you can dig up all the damn stats you want Many feel they were detrimental and yesterdays limited samples proved prophetic - just sayin'
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #174 on: September 29, 2019, 11:32:34 AM »
both teams were going to lose if they kicked and took the one point conversions

so there
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #175 on: September 29, 2019, 11:41:15 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 29, 2019, 11:32:34 AM
both teams were going to lose if they kicked and took the one point conversions,so there
Thanx ,now can you help me with the lottery numbers?
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #176 on: September 29, 2019, 11:52:37 AM »
sure, but past performance is not indicative of future results
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #177 on: September 29, 2019, 11:58:52 AM »
Oh no you don't,not while you have the mystic goggles & chrystal ball
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #178 on: September 29, 2019, 12:11:56 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 29, 2019, 10:16:23 AM
You forgot to adjust for the line. Clemson actually has a 56.78 percent chance of winning down 1 in that spot.

And if it's tied, that percentage is 85.36. Kick, and you have a less than 15 percent chance of winning.
Good point.  I didn’t include the line because I didn’t initially see the relevance but I can see why they take that into account.  I guess for me if UNC is tied with about a minute to go they are no longer a 27.5 point underdog but I concede that if still viewed that way then maybe the 2 was the best option.

I personally probably wouldn’t have done that but it may not have made a difference anyway.
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #179 on: September 29, 2019, 12:16:35 PM »
Ohio State is just a machine at this point. How they take a transfer QB that’s basically a rs frosh with little to no experience and then have the guy playing like a seasoned vet that can win the Heisman is so impressive. I’m envious of that offensive system that Meyer brought with him and Day has tweaked and expanded and made his own. 

Meanwhile the “QB whisperer” at Michigan is going on year 5 and he still hasn’t developed a QB worth a shit.
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #180 on: September 29, 2019, 12:17:50 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on September 29, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
I personally probably wouldn’t have done that but it may not have made a difference anyway.
Correct well put at that point they've been an equal on home field.Now I'll have to wait until some celestial being tells me how things really would have unfolded going for the P.A.T.
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #181 on: September 29, 2019, 12:22:15 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 29, 2019, 12:16:35 PM

Meanwhile the “QB whisperer” at Michigan is going on year 5 and he still hasn’t developed a QB worth a shit.
Honestly I think he got lucky to have Andrew Luck and then stumbling onto the jerkoff in SF.


Couldn't develop Alex Smith either. He got good when Andy Reid got hold of him.
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