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Topic: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)

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MrNubbz

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #182 on: September 29, 2019, 12:22:29 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 29, 2019, 12:16:35 PM

Meanwhile the “QB whisperer” at Michigan is going on year......
Well they put up some points yesterday albeit vs the league's dregs.Yesterday Maryland,Rutgers & UNL got out scored 159-7,that's just not going to help much with the computer composite points moving forward
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #183 on: September 29, 2019, 12:24:17 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2019, 12:22:15 PM
Honestly I think he got lucky to have Andrew Luck and then stumbling onto the jerkoff in SF.


Couldn't develop Alex Smith either. He got good when Andy Reid got hold of him.
Stop it,we want him sticking around a few more years.Watch the meathead turn it around and go on a run now
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #184 on: September 29, 2019, 12:53:36 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 29, 2019, 11:24:53 AM
NW & UNC both lost yesterday going for multiple 2 pt convertions,you can dig up all the damn stats you want Many feel they were detrimental and yesterdays limited samples proved prophetic - just sayin'
How did they prove prophetic? 
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #185 on: September 29, 2019, 01:07:08 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2019, 12:22:15 PM
Honestly I think he got lucky to have Andrew Luck and then stumbling onto the jerkoff in SF.


Couldn't develop Alex Smith either. He got good when Andy Reid got hold of him.
This is to a degree inaccurate. Harbs got Smith to be good enough to stay in the league. He was close to career backup when he arrived. Reid did make him better.

But that fact doesn't take away from the fact the QB play at UM has been pretty not good outside last season and the first one. 
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #186 on: September 29, 2019, 01:10:33 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 29, 2019, 12:53:36 PM
How did they prove prophetic?
They (2 pt.Con.)weren't wrong in hindsight,and your numbers could be skewed,are those team?Conference?National?
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #187 on: September 29, 2019, 01:11:22 PM »
Urban Meyer made Alex Smith pretty good.
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #188 on: September 29, 2019, 01:33:18 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 29, 2019, 01:10:33 PM
They (2 pt.Con.)weren't wrong in hindsight,and your numbers could be skewed,are those team?Conference?National?
So I have the logic right, you're saying, at the times they were tried, there were some people who felt they were bad ideas. And they were missed and the teams in turn lost, and therefore they proved prophetic? 

(The numbers use some kind of high end math, there might be some NFL history in there)

If the answer to the question above is correct, then we get into the finer points of counterfactuals. But I want to make sure I understand correctly. 
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #189 on: September 29, 2019, 01:40:57 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2019, 01:11:22 PM
Urban Meyer made Alex Smith pretty good.
Made him the #1 pick in the draft. Still blows my mind the 49ers took Smith over Aaron Rodgers. Imagine how different that franchise would’ve been had they just taken Rodgers. 
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #190 on: September 29, 2019, 01:44:14 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 29, 2019, 10:58:40 AM
Can you stop with your silly, IMPRECISE assertions that your POV tops that of others who cherry pick their arguement like you do yours.You obviously don't know how things would have turned out if UNC goes for the tie.We obviously know how things turned out when they didn't.See how that works.There was nothing in Clemsons body of work yesterday afternoon that guaranteed go ahead or winning.No one is blasting Mack Brown's decision just suggesting they would have tried a different plan of attack.It's all right to have conlicting views with out condescending drivel
Not all POVs are on equal footing.  Let's not pretend otherwise.


We don't know what might have happened, I don't recall anyone ever saying that.  All you can do or I can do or a HC can do is make prudent decisions that will give the team the best chance to win.  That's the whole point of this discussion.



I can pick a stock at random and spend my life savings on it and it may double in a year, but that doesn't make random chance a sound investment idea.  Just as hope isn't a strategy, neither is luck.
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #191 on: September 29, 2019, 01:47:23 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 29, 2019, 11:01:15 AM
I just did it funny how much the result changes the discussion. Had they succeeded with the 2pt and won the game, I doubt many of the people second guessing the decision would still be analyzing it.
How about if they kicked the XP and it got blocked?


Entire Earth:  THEY SHOULD'VE GONE FOR 2 THERE!
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #192 on: September 29, 2019, 01:47:57 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 29, 2019, 01:40:57 PM
Made him the #1 pick in the draft. Still blows my mind the 49ers took Smith over Aaron Rodgers. Imagine how different that franchise would’ve been had they just taken Rodgers.
They woulda messed up Rodgers. He needed some mechanics tweaking. (Of note, his last offense at Cal was just insane, even though his stats were just good)
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #193 on: September 29, 2019, 01:48:52 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 29, 2019, 01:47:23 PM
How about if they kicked the XP and it got blocked?


Entire Earth:  THEY SHOULD'VE GONE FOR 2 THERE!
That happened to FSU like 2-3 weeks ago. Some bad team had them in OT and shoulda gone for it and didn't and missed an XP
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #194 on: September 29, 2019, 01:49:55 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 29, 2019, 11:52:37 AM
sure, but past performance is not indicative of future results
:57: oh my
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #195 on: September 29, 2019, 01:50:58 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 29, 2019, 01:47:57 PM
They woulda messed up Rodgers. He needed some mechanics tweaking. (Of note, his last offense at Cal was just insane, even though his stats were just good)
Yeah, it's easy to be wary of a QB who had a 2,000 rusher behind him.
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