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Topic: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21

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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #266 on: September 25, 2019, 11:14:48 AM »
well, since I'm no fan of the hurry up..........

and since the refs don't seem to be able to monitor substitutions properly..........
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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #267 on: September 25, 2019, 11:54:37 AM »
Ultimately the only real consequence will be the end of the HUNH offense because it's incredibly easy to disrupt simply by flopping 13 times in a game, as long as there are no consequences for doing so.  Some might view that as ok, others might lament that such an unsportsmanlike tactic was allowed to kill an entire offensive philosophy.  I'll leave it to you, the reader, to decide. :)


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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #268 on: September 25, 2019, 02:24:50 PM »
:)


Anyway, I don't have much love for the HUNH offense either, except it's what my team currently likes to run and they do it pretty well.  But not when a bunch of soccer-style floppers are gumming up the works.

Ah well, on to the next thing.

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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #269 on: September 25, 2019, 07:49:36 PM »
Is a series a drive? Or just a set of downs?
I don't like the term "drive" in the meaning that has crept into Sportscasterese the past couple of decades.  A drive once meant moving the ball a considerable bit of yardage and at least threatening to score.  As in, "A 5-minute, 14-play drive to open the 3rd quarter died on the Popcorn State 23 with a missed field goal attempt."  Now it seems to mean a possession.  But for me, 3 and out is not a drive.
A series is a set of downs.  You get a first down, the series is over.
A possession lasts until the other team has the ball.
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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #270 on: September 25, 2019, 08:05:14 PM »
I don't like the term "drive" in the meaning that has crept into Sportscasterese the past couple of decades.  A drive once meant moving the ball a considerable bit of yardage and at least threatening to score.  As in, "A 5-minute, 14-play drive to open the 3rd quarter died on the Popcorn State 23 with a missed field goal attempt."  Now it seems to mean a possession.  But for me, 3 and out is not a drive.
A series is a set of downs.  You get a first down, the series is over.
A possession lasts until the other team has the ball.
Agree with your first and third points, not sure I really agree with the second one I highlighted.

I mean, I guess I could agree with it, but in that case, I don't really think the term "series" has much meaning at all.  It's more meaningful and more specific simply to say "set of downs."  You go 3 and out, you had one set of downs. No real need to call it a series.  If you manage a first down in your initial set of downs, well, now you're driving, but I don't think it makes any sense at all to say something like, "that drive entailed 4 series."  That's just not very meaningful and is actually somewhat confusing.

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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #271 on: September 25, 2019, 08:12:33 PM »
Did Popcorn State ever play Iowa Pre-Flight?
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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #272 on: September 25, 2019, 08:16:49 PM »
Did Popcorn State ever play Iowa Pre-Flight?
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The United States Navy commissioned pre-flight schools at the University of Georgia, the University of Iowa, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and Saint Mary's College of California in 1942. Cadets were given three months of rigorous physical training and instruction in basic aerial navigation and communications. Graduates were sent to basic flight schools and advanced flight training before assignment to the Pacific Fleet.

Athletics and training were emphasized at the schools. It was believed that the rigors of college football were ideal preparation for World War II. Numerous collegiate and professional athletes and coaches were recruited as instructors. They often played on or coached the football team of their respective school. Each team usually played established football powers in their respective region and other service academies.

Iowa Pre-Flight was coached by former Minnesota coach Bernie Bierman in 1942 and went 7–3. The Seahawks were coached by former Missouri coach Don Faurot in 1943 and went 9–1. They finished second in the final AP Poll and were named the service academy national champion. Iowa Pre-Flight was coached by former Auburn coach Jack Meagher in 1944 and went 10–1. They finished sixth in the final AP Poll.

Jim Tatum and Bud Wilkinson both served as assistant coaches for the Seahawks under Faurot. Tatum went on to coach at Oklahoma and Maryland. While at Maryland, Tatum recorded a national championship, three conference championships, and a 73–15–4 record without a single losing season. Wilkinson went on to coach at Oklahoma, where he set an NCAA record with 47 consecutive wins.

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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #273 on: September 25, 2019, 08:35:53 PM »
Yeah, Iowa Pre-Flight was legit.  In 1943, their only loss was by 1 point at #1 ND.



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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #274 on: September 25, 2019, 10:31:30 PM »
Agree with your first and third points, not sure I really agree with the second one I highlighted.

I mean, I guess I could agree with it, but in that case, I don't really think the term "series" has much meaning at all.  It's more meaningful and more specific simply to say "set of downs."  You go 3 and out, you had one set of downs. No real need to call it a series.  If you manage a first down in your initial set of downs, well, now you're driving, but I don't think it makes any sense at all to say something like, "that drive entailed 4 series."  That's just not very meaningful and is actually somewhat confusing.
In that case, what's the difference between a series, a possession, and (as the term is now used) a drive?
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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #275 on: September 25, 2019, 10:35:01 PM »
From Wiki:

The United States Navy commissioned pre-flight schools at the University of Georgia, the University of Iowa, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and Saint Mary's College of California in 1942. Cadets were given three months of rigorous physical training and instruction in basic aerial navigation and communications. Graduates were sent to basic flight schools and advanced flight training before assignment to the Pacific Fleet.

Athletics and training were emphasized at the schools. It was believed that the rigors of college football were ideal preparation for World War II. Numerous collegiate and professional athletes and coaches were recruited as instructors. They often played on or coached the football team of their respective school. Each team usually played established football powers in their respective region and other service academies.

Iowa Pre-Flight was coached by former Minnesota coach Bernie Bierman in 1942 and went 7–3. The Seahawks were coached by former Missouri coach Don Faurot in 1943 and went 9–1. They finished second in the final AP Poll and were named the service academy national champion. Iowa Pre-Flight was coached by former Auburn coach Jack Meagher in 1944 and went 10–1. They finished sixth in the final AP Poll.

Jim Tatum and Bud Wilkinson both served as assistant coaches for the Seahawks under Faurot. Tatum went on to coach at Oklahoma and Maryland. While at Maryland, Tatum recorded a national championship, three conference championships, and a 73–15–4 record without a single losing season. Wilkinson went on to coach at Oklahoma, where he set an NCAA record with 47 consecutive wins.
Bud Wilkinson had played for Bernie Bierman at Minnesota.  He patterned much of his coaching philosophy and style after those of the Silver Fox.

Don Faurot invented the Split-T offense, while at Iowa Pre-Flight I believe.  Wilkinson installed it at Oklahoma and won 3 MNCs, 2 fewer than Bierman had won at Minnesota.
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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #276 on: September 26, 2019, 10:16:36 AM »
If a team goes backwards and punts, is that a "drive"?

Cars do have a reverse gear.  If you reverse you car and park it, is that a drive?

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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #277 on: September 26, 2019, 12:47:34 PM »
In that case, what's the difference between a series, a possession, and (as the term is now used) a drive?
In that case, what's the difference between a series, a possession, and (as the term is now used) a drive?
These days?  Not much, I guess.

I understand the distinctions you're trying to make, I just don't believe a sentence like "Well that drive consisted of 4 series and covered 57 yards, ending in a missed field goal" has much purpose or makes much sense. People wouldn't be clear that a "series" was taking the meaning of "a set of downs."  This is probably why nobody says it that way, anyway.

Instead you'll hear, "Well that drive consisted of 13 plays, with 3 first downs, covered 57 yards and ended with a missed field goal."  The latter makes more sense,  contains more specificity, and paints a clearer picture of what happened.  At least IMO.  *shrug*

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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #278 on: September 26, 2019, 12:50:07 PM »
That drive netted minus 17 yards and ended in a punt after three plays and a penalty.

That drive ended after only three yards and a punt.

That drive covered 307 yards but ended in a bunker.

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Re: And the Badgers Shall Bring the Thunder - SOC 9/21
« Reply #279 on: September 26, 2019, 12:58:55 PM »

That drive covered 307 yards but ended in a bunker.
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