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Topic: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)

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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #210 on: December 01, 2019, 08:42:35 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 01, 2019, 08:11:11 AM
Tell me again why Michigan hired Harbaugh and whether after five seasons that is considered a success, at all?

Beat Ohio State reasonably often.
Win the Big Ten reasonably often.
Make the playoffs on occasion.

TTUN is much, much better with Harbaugh than they were before him.
Before Harbaugh they were 5-7 and missing Bowl games.
(With a bowl victory) Harbaugh will have them with double digit wins 4 of his 5 years.
Since the Bowl era Michigan has only missed 3 bowl games this was the 7 years before Harbaugh.
He will take his team to a 5th straight Bowl game, and with a win, another top 15 finish.

The problem for TTUN/Harbaugh is they are facing the historical best OSU teams, who had one of the best all time coaches (and his hand chosen successor.) Did they overpay for Harbaugh, I think so, but they have the resources.
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #211 on: December 01, 2019, 08:44:18 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 01, 2019, 08:11:11 AM
Tell me again why Michigan hired Harbaugh and whether after five seasons that is considered a success, at all?

Beat Ohio State reasonably often.
Win the Big Ten reasonably often.
Make the playoffs on occasion.


It's not. And when they fire him, chances are they won't find someone who can't do that first thing, which means they can't do that second thing, which is mostly a precursor to the third thing. 

By SRS, he's faced No. 2, 4, 3, 5 and 1 in the country. It's a fair question to ask, why has he reasonably not built top-5 teams that beat other top-5 often? But that's the question we're asking. 
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #212 on: December 01, 2019, 09:36:24 AM »
I will also add for TTUN (and the Rest of the B1G) is a concern I have with Day. He is on record (with the free agent era we are now in) of saying he is no longer going to chase top after the best Athletes (who if they don't play leave,) but going after the next level down kids who want to be Buckeyes (for Life.) If the Buckeyes no longer have the star advantage in recruiting, I think it becomes more realistic for the rest of the league to be able to compete against OSU. I'm hoping Day and company will be able to have Wisconsin level of Success in getting those 3 and 4 star guys and coaching them up. But I think the Alabama level of Success will not be achievable once Meyers recruits are gone. 
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #213 on: December 01, 2019, 09:41:45 AM »
I don't know what Day said specifically, but I expect OSU to continue to attract 5 and 4 star recruits far more than any other B1g team.
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #214 on: December 01, 2019, 10:00:02 AM »
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #215 on: December 01, 2019, 10:02:01 AM »
As for JH, I don't think they would find a better coach sitting around waiting by the phone, so they should keep him, but some rumblings should be heard.

FIckell might be sitting by a phone.  Louisville has found a great hire I think.  He may bolt for UNC when Brown retires.
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #216 on: December 01, 2019, 10:20:52 AM »
Jim shouldn't be hammered for this season.  Losing to this Buckeye team is expected

losing 2 road games to top 10 teams can be forgiven

yes, 3 losses isn't what the fans want, but those are 3 tough losses
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #217 on: December 01, 2019, 10:23:29 AM »
I don't think he should be hammered, but this was THE YEAR for Michigan, except it wasn't.  They failed to meet expectations, that always leads to problems for a coach, particularly if that is a trend.  Michigan has high expectations and they are not being met, obviously.  They can't do a "Minnesota" or "Baylor" because of those expectations.

SO, they either modify their expectations are continue to be disappointed, unless something significant happens.  Do folks think they will be better next season?

The may well face Florida in a bowl game and a loss there ....
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #218 on: December 01, 2019, 10:26:59 AM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on November 30, 2019, 09:06:28 PM
Love how Utah calls themselves "The U"
Wonder if Miami's legal team has something to say about the New U
Minnesota fans refer to their school as The U.
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #219 on: December 01, 2019, 10:29:20 AM »
Husker fans aren't happy with Frost either

many had much higher expectations than I

some are hammering the coach and suggesting he's not the right guy

most folks think they will do better next season, but not better enough

perhaps next season Harbaugh gets PSU and Wiscy at home

it was THE YEAR for Jim somewhat because Urban was gone and the Bucks were breaking in a new QB

well, unfortunately for Jim, coaching and QB play didn't slip a bit
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #220 on: December 01, 2019, 11:06:42 AM »
Yes, this was the year, because if it didn't happen this year, it's probably not happening any time soon.

The Madman would look fine coaching in the NFL.
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #221 on: December 01, 2019, 11:23:06 AM »
The off-season is Harbaugh's time to shine.

The pundits will begin to pump them up, and by the time August rolls around they will be the consensus "best team" in the Big Ten just like every other off-season.

Only now Nebraska has emerged as their primary off-season adversary, as the "Top team" in the B1G West annually in the preseason.

Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #222 on: December 01, 2019, 11:42:37 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
Minnesota fans refer to their school as The U.
Well...it's not on their helmets.
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Re: And My Name Is Harbaugh, Look On My Works and Despair (SOC 11/30/19)
« Reply #223 on: December 01, 2019, 11:45:30 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 01, 2019, 08:11:11 AM
Tell me again why Michigan hired Harbaugh and whether after five seasons that is considered a success, at all?

Beat Ohio State reasonably often.
Win the Big Ten reasonably often.
Make the playoffs on occasion.


I believe in the years JH has been at UM, the Wolverines are 6th or 7th in the country in win %.  You don't just dump that because your biggest rival happens to be top 3.
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