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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2025, 06:16:07 AM »
I viewed Tebow as a winner, apparently a leader of the team, who played well on the big stage.  If I had one college game to win, I personally would choose Burrow, though he really only had the one great year, he was remarkable I thought.  I think as a pure QB, he's shown in the NFL he is that as well.  And to me, that counts for something.

I'm not much on such rankings and lists, they are someone's opinions, which are fine with me.  This sort of thing fills the off season and gets clicks and arguments.  It's akin to greatest baseball player, I'd rather just appreciate the terrific seasons and careers many of them had without trying to rank them somehow.  Folks get in "heated arguments" about such things, for no real reason, it's all opinion.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2025, 08:33:47 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 15, 2025, 05:15:06 PM
To be fair, he kept his name alive via a LOT of endorsements.

I'm not old enough to remember him as a player; he retired 5 years before I was born. I do remember him from commercials.
Also, second grade boys will snicker at that name long after we’re all dead.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2025, 08:52:40 AM »
And he then kicks their asses from his grave.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2025, 09:00:57 AM »
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2025, 09:35:35 AM »
For QB’s — GOAT

If I have stellar WR’s — Burrow. 

If I have a great rushing attack — Tebow

If I had neither — Cam Newton
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2025, 09:35:49 AM »
He did a good job of going from the menacing, rip-your-head-off type of reputation as a player to a kinder, gentler older guy, a la George Foreman.  Bubba Smith in the Police Academy movies did this as well.

But you knew, in the back of his mind, he was always hoping for someone to mug an old lady and steal her purse in front of him.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2025, 09:36:53 AM »
He was not human.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2025, 09:37:49 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 16, 2025, 11:05:23 AM
The only thing Vince Young was the best at was taking a called pass play and scrambling for a healthy ypc average.
As a QB, maybe that shouldn't be your #1 strength. 
I've never seen another player given such a halo effect based on 1 game.
 Meh Tim Tebow was okay at the jump pass.  Nothing else very special about him.  He liked to pray and give speeches I guess.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2025, 09:38:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 17, 2025, 06:16:07 AM
I viewed Tebow as a winner, apparently a leader of the team, who played well on the big stage.  If I had one college game to win, I personally would choose Burrow, though he really only had the one great year, he was remarkable I thought.  I think as a pure QB, he's shown in the NFL he is that as well.  And to me, that counts for something.

I'm not much on such rankings and lists, they are someone's opinions, which are fine with me.  This sort of thing fills the off season and gets clicks and arguments.  It's akin to greatest baseball player, I'd rather just appreciate the terrific seasons and careers many of them had without trying to rank them somehow.  Folks get in "heated arguments" about such things, for no real reason, it's all opinion.
Agreed.
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But I see you also link NFL production as a sort of vindication.  Why?  
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2025, 09:40:18 AM »
Timmy and Vince would have made great TEs in the NFL
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2025, 09:40:51 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 16, 2025, 10:55:20 AM
also as much as I respect Tebow, I have a hard time saying he’s the best QB of all-time in college.

Vince Young is the gold standard college QB to me, Cam Newton might be the most physically gifted QB we’ve ever seen and had the greatest single season any QB ever had until Joe Burrow came along and had the best single season of any QB ever.

I’m taking one of those 3 guys over Tebow. Just am. They were all flat out better QB’s.
Yes yes and yes.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2025, 09:42:01 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 17, 2025, 09:40:18 AM
Timmy and Vince would have made great TEs in the NFL
Heck Vince made the pro bowl.  Twice.  That's a darn good tight end.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2025, 09:48:32 AM »
I remember all the clowns who wanted VY moved to WR...

Tebow was really good, and he had a great team around him - and one of the best coaches of all time.

VY didn't have much around him in the skill positions. He pretty much won every game on his own, including a Rose Bowl and an MNC.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2025, 09:50:52 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 17, 2025, 09:37:49 AM
Meh Tim Tebow was okay at the jump pass.  Nothing else very special about him.  He liked to pray and give speeches I guess.
Ha ha.


Career Pass Rating Efficiency, All-Time (as of 2009):
1. 175.6 - Sam Bradford, OU
2. 170.8 - Tim Tebow, UF
3. 168.9 - Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise
4. 167.6 - Colt Brennan, Hawaii
5. 164.4 - Alex Smith, Utah
6. 163.6 - Danny Wuerffel, UF
7. 162.7 - Ty Detmer, BYU
8. 162.5 - Omar Jacobs, BG
9. 162.0 - Steve Sarkisian, BYU
10. 159.8 - Stefan Lefors, UL
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Career pass efficiency isn't some BS high-volume thing you luck into.  As Bradford and Tebow's careers were concurrent, ole Timmy had the best career pass rating of anyone before him, ever.  While rushing for more TDs than any RB in SEC history.  

Why do people pretend he didn't do this?  Why do they shit on his arm motion and ignore his results?  Why is this list Bradford, Tebow, and a bunch of G4 QBs?  
Again, I'm obviously biased.  And it doesn't truly matter, it's just a fun debate.  And no, everyone doesn't have to pick Tebow as their best QB ever, but maybe argue FOR a guy because arguing against TT is silly.
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