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Topic: A Discussion of Calculus, and maybe Physics, and AP classes and college

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Riffraft

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We didn't have AP when I was in HS, just 1-2-3 level courses.  My kids' HS had both AP and IB classes.  They were interestingly different, the IB teachers had to be specifically certified for teaching that.  My son took three years of IB physics in HS.  The chemistry teacher didn't have certification.  IB also had a senior level course called "Theory of Knowledge" which was pretty interesting, to me.

We had a lot of European/French families in out district.
When didn't have AP when I was in HS, I actually had what they called in those days concurrent enrollment at Ohio State. Spent half my day in High School and took my calculus classes at Ohio State. I had taken all the advanced math classes that the high school had to offer halfway through my junior year. Highest they went was pre-calculus.

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I started at UGA summer quarter.  I figured it would enable me to find my way around (and it did).  I liked summers, they were laid back and uncrowded etc., so I went the next summer, and the next.  I discovered I was short two liberal arts courses, so I had to do a fourth summer and took German Translation, which I needed for grad school, and Psych 101, which was a hoot, a really interesting class with a bunch of freshmen.  And I did some independent study chem thing which was an auto A.

I headed to grad school about a week after I finished classes.  The first day at UNC we took exams all day for placement.  I stumbled into a bar downtown and wanted a gin and tonic only to learn in NC at the time they couldn't serve liquor in bars.

UNC was something like UGA but in a much smaller town with MUCH less "night life".  There were only two bars worth spit in the whole place, there were a few more for townies that students didn't go to.  I kept looking for the "other bars".  

And of course in grad school you go year round anyway.  

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Our HS AP Calc teacher was a great guy, and I think we had all the brainpower in my graduating class in the AP2 class. Of the 16 of us in the class, 15 of us either got a 4 or 5. Good stuff.

I got routed into the liberal arts calculus route, which was different from engineer calc in that engineer calc had us working with and familiarizing ourselves with computer programs that would frequently be used down the line. Two of the three calc professors had completely useless lectures. When it came to matrices, the class required us to grind through a system of equations. Ugh.


Computers?? When I was in high school, I was using a slide rule until my junior year, when I spent $200 on a Texas Instrument SR-50 calculator. It would actually do high scientific functions, Trig, Square roots, Factorials

First experience with a computer was in College where we had limited use of the school's computer (only a certain amount of computing time for the semester then you were charged for any overage) and we punched up data cards to run a program. Nothing like having a stack up 200 or so cards and dropping them on you way to having them run in the computer and having to sort them out. Or making a typo when typing the punch card up. No back space, no delete. throw the card away and start again. 

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I started at UGA summer quarter.  I figured it would enable me to find my way around (and it did).  I liked summers, they were laid back and uncrowded etc., so I went the next summer, and the next.  I discovered I was short two liberal arts courses, so I had to do a fourth summer and took German Translation, which I needed for grad school, and Psych 101, which was a hoot, a really interesting class with a bunch of freshmen.  And I did some independent study chem thing which was an auto A.

I headed to grad school about a week after I finished classes.  The first day at UNC we took exams all day for placement.  I stumbled into a bar downtown and wanted a gin and tonic only to learn in NC at the time they couldn't serve liquor in bars.

UNC was something like UGA but in a much smaller town with MUCH less "night life".  There were only two bars worth spit in the whole place, there were a few more for townies that students didn't go to.  I kept looking for the "other bars". 

And of course in grad school you go year round anyway. 

I didn't take my German translation class until I was working on a PhD. The college I was at didn't offer it, I had to go to the university down the road to take it. That was so many years ago, I don't think I could translate a simple sentence, let alone a document. 

I was a teetotaler in graduate school, so no bars for me. These days, there is nothing like getting home, grabbing a nice cold beer and relaxing out by or in my pool in the evening. 

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I had taken 3 quarters of German already and this made 4.  We were supposed to have 4 semesters of German, but they let my 4 quarters stand.  I guess a semester is about as much as a quarter.  It was either German or Russian back then.

Sometimes now when I'm trying to think of the French word for something, the German word pops into my head.  I am often tempted to say bahnhof instead of gare when in France (RR station).  My tourist level French gets me by but I don't understand anything they say back to me in the main, unless they respond in English of course.

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I had calculus in HS and started college in honors calculus.  It was completely different stuff, I think we covered the basics on day one and then got into weirdness.  We certainly were not learning how to differentiate some equation after day one.  Some folks in there never had calculus in HS and managed to get by.

My HS calculus teacher admittedly was a bit old and weak.
I was one of those in the engineering college - kicked my arse - my high school class of 53 total students had about 10 of us in "senior" math.  The HS math teacher was in her late 60's in 1981.  That didn't help.

It also didn't help that my Calculus prof in college was from India and couldn't pronounce the word zero.  Thick accent and very difficult to understand.

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IU, when I was there, had not just an in-state quota, but a county by county quota, and I still think my freshman calculus class was just about as hard a class as I had, but I think it's sole purpose was to weed out some of those quota kids.

You almost felt bad for them.  They were clearly the best and brightest from their small town, went off to Bloomington, and learned in about a week how far in over their head they were, sent back at Christmas embarrassed.  Honestly, I get what they were going for with it, but I do wonder if it did more harm than good.  How many of those kids had their confidence shattered beyond repair, whereas they could have succeeded in a non-Big Ten academic environment, and then been totally fine in their professional careers, where nobody cares if you went to IU or IUPUI or Anderson, or whatever.  I remember peer reviewing one of them in my English class, and his his mid-term paper was literally a one page plot summary book report.

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Reminds me of my org chem class my second year.  We started with folks sitting in the aisles, 185 or so in the class.  We had 33 finish that year.  The rest went to business school or somesuch.

The main class after that was PChem, and I took the higher level for majors, we had 6 students in it, 4 were graduate students doing remedial work.  It was easy gradewise.  The premeds were all taking the lower level course and clawing all over each other for an A.  I heard it was really hard.

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This thread is off the rails. I'm part of that, sadly.

Take calculus to the stream thread.
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UT engineering didn't allow you to place out of engineering physics, or anything beyond the first semester of calculus.  I got 5s on both, but only got credit for Physics for Physics majors, not engineering physics, and only the first semester of calculus.

Also placed out of history and literature, which I wish I hadn't because those would have been really great classes to take at the college level, but there's no way I would have graduated in 4 years if I hadn't, and back in those days, scholarship money ran out after 4.
Purdue has PHYS 152 (Mechanics) and PHYS 241 (E&M). PHYS 152 is basically one of the top weed-out courses for engineers at Purdue. So they're pretty adamant about taking it.

Therefore, you can't test out of it based on AP results. I *was* able to test out of PHYS 152 by taking the final (scored an 88, BTW, which is crazy that I remember that 25 years later!). I think they might have allowed me to do the same for E&M, but for EE majors they actually have PHYS 261, which is E&M for electrical engineering majors only. And there's NO way to get out of PHYS 261 if you're a EE. I remember one test in that class I scored a 59, which was an A with the curve. 

Even worse was EE 311 (Electromagnetic Fields & Waves IIRC), which was PHYS 261 on crack. D is for Done, right? ;-) 

So yeah, I was pretty proud of the fact that I got credit for PHYS 152 without taking it.

Calculus wasn't an issue. My "5" on the AP test was accepted for credit. The problem, though, when you test out of freshman calculus is that they put you in the "honors" version of multivariate calc. Instead of the ~200 people who normally take the class, it was a focused class for about 25-30 of us. Which means you're surrounded by literal geniuses. There was one kid in that class--and it's appropriate to call this college student a "kid"--who was about 12-13 years old if I remember correctly. I just wanted to get out of the first year of calc, not be the "slow" guy in honors multivariate calc!

I also tested out of a year of history with a 4 on AP US History, but for that year to count I had to take one more history class. So I took "History of the Space Age" which was pretty cool at a place like Purdue. 

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Re: A Discussion of Calculus, and maybe Physics, and AP classes and college
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2020, 02:11:05 PM »
I was one of those in the engineering college - kicked my arse - my high school class of 53 total students had about 10 of us in "senior" math.  The HS math teacher was in her late 60's in 1981.  That didn't help.

It also didn't help that my Calculus prof in college was from India and couldn't pronounce the word zero.  Thick accent and very difficult to understand.

I have excuses....
My college Calc professor was an older German gentleman that had lost a leg in WWII. He used crutches to get around the classroom. He also had a very hard German accent. 

In the classroom, there were blackboards all the way around the room. He would get started solving equations and make his way around the room about 2 or 3 times before the end of class. All the while I was wondering how in the hell I was ever going to learn anything, but he was very good about helping students that asked in his spare time.

I also had him for Linear Algebra. I still don't really understand what that was about. I always referred to it as the love child of Calculus and Physics on a drunken holiday.

Riffraft

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Re: A Discussion of Calculus, and maybe Physics, and AP classes and college
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2020, 02:40:10 PM »
Reminds me of my org chem class my second year.  We started with folks sitting in the aisles, 185 or so in the class.  We had 33 finish that year.  The rest went to business school or somesuch.

The main class after that was PChem, and I took the higher level for majors, we had 6 students in it, 4 were graduate students doing remedial work.  It was easy gradewise.  The premeds were all taking the lower level course and clawing all over each other for an A.  I heard it was really hard.
I think most programs have that "weeding out" course. At OSU at that time it was Thermodynamics. 

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Re: A Discussion of Calculus, and maybe Physics, and AP classes and college
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2020, 03:49:05 PM »
I'm asking again.

Take it to the stream thread.
Man... If only someone around here was a moderator, and could move posts? 

I don't know where we'd find someone like that...

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Re: A Discussion of Calculus, and maybe Physics, and AP classes and college
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2020, 04:11:25 PM »
I don't think we can MOVE posts.

I can definitely REMOVE posts.

Maybe @Drew4UTk can weigh in.
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