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Topic: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game

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Re: #8 Michigan (3-0) at Purdue (2-1) Game Week
« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2017, 05:28:17 PM »
Ya 2007 he had like 1200+yds  receiving.Between him & KW II - what could have been in C-Town
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Re: #8 Michigan (3-0) at Purdue (2-1) Game Week
« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2017, 05:45:35 PM »
Ugh. 2004. Such a snakebit year for Purdue, starting with "The Fumble". A moment so enshrined in Purdue history that we view it as the turning point where the program went from its zenith to its nadir in 2016.

That 2004 game Orton was playing hurt. IIRC he had *two* hip pointers at the time. And yet we damn near pulled it out. 

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Re: #8 Michigan (3-0) at Purdue (2-1) Game Week
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2017, 08:54:34 PM »
Ya 2007 he had like 1200+yds  receiving.Between him & KW II - what could have been in C-Town
he also averaged like 17+ YPC and had 16 touchdown catches that year too. You could make a case he was a top 5 WR in the league at the time. It was certainly trending that way.

KW II and Braylon both had ELITE talent for their positions. It's a shame that both of them didn't live up to the kind of ability they had. They were both very good NFL players. I wouldn't consider either of them flat out busts. Considering the kind of talent they had though- they should've both been in the HOF or at the least knocking on those HOF doors.

Larry Fitzgerald and Antonio Gates will both end up in the hall. And rightfully so. Two of the greatest ever at their positions. Neither one of them was as talented or gifted as Braylon or KW II though. That game, that league- it's about way more than talent.

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Re: #8 Michigan (3-0) at Purdue (2-1) Game Week
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2017, 09:53:38 PM »
Random thoughts..

Purdue WRs have had drops on critical downs.

Purdue special teams have looked bad in coverage.  A big return gets a lethargic UM offense going.

Little things matter.

Purdue has a knack to force fumbles at key moments.

The Boiler red zone D has been stout.

Just a hunch, I feel the Boilers are going to bring it on defense.  I imagine they come after Speight.  I'm talking something we haven't seen the previous 3 games.


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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2017, 12:33:13 AM »
So concerning targeting... obviously I think Purdue got screwed here.  2 ejections on questionable calls.  Those players will miss time vs Minnesota also (correct me if I'm wrong).

This penalty gives refs free reign to adversely affect a game...or games!  Not only is it subjective, it is also one sided.  This rule specifically targets the defense.  The offense violates the principals of this rule constantly, and nobody bats an eye.

Here me out.

The defense is defenseless.  The offense makes forcible contact to the defenders head and neck area without pause.  The offenders strike with the helmet crown, shoulder, hand, fist, elbow (stiff arm).  They lower the head before attacking.  They crouch and thrust forward.  

The defender is defenseless because of said rule.  In order to not be subject of a subjective penalty, the defense must let the target gain possession of the ball, and then establish forward momentum and awareness, rendering the offense able to be defensive.  

The defense must let the offense assert their will.  Any attempt to interrupt this is subject to a penalty...a penalty that the offense is not subject to.  

The icing on the cake, of course, is that the rule is enforced (or not) entirely different from game to game, and conference to conference.  

I need a refill.

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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2017, 10:56:31 AM »
So concerning targeting... obviously I think Purdue got screwed here.  2 ejections on questionable calls.  Those players will miss time vs Minnesota also (correct me if I'm wrong).

What pisses me off about this is that I expected to lose this game. Michigan had more talent and depth, and although Purdue gave them a hell of a fight for 30 minutes, we just didn't have the depth to keep it up in the 2nd.
But now two of our best defenders will miss half the Minnesota game. A game that is definitely winnable. That could turn the tide of that entire game.

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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2017, 12:02:29 PM »
I had a really good time in West Lafayette this weekend. Props on the two local craft beers that are sold inside the stadium, as well. Fortunately, the heat wasn't a major issue with the tailgate spot and seat I had both being mostly shaded. I was mostly with other Michigan fans but most of the Purdue fans I encountered seemed good-natured. I didn't get a chance to really see any of the downtown area, though.

The offense finally had a solid and efficient game finishing drives with 4 TDs instead of FGs. I'm not sure if what we saw from O'Korn is what we can expect to see consistently if he remains the starter. He narrowly avoided some sacks, which he impressively escaped but probably shouldn't have gotten himself in trouble in the first place. I was glad to see the TEs finally get more involved, especially with Black's injury. The RBs were solid, as well.

Michigan's defense was dominant, especially in the second half. They seemed ready for most of the trick plays, so at this point I'm pretty confident that they can contain just about any offense they face. Special teams was also mostly a plus, even without needing any FGs, finally. Robbins finally came in at punter, and seems to be better than Hart. No non-offensive scores or major turnovers this week, though.

I'm glad we have our bye week next to figure out Speight's situation and adjust the offense according to whoever might be the starter. I'm conflicted on who it should be. Speight has been better when he plays well, but that hasn't happened since the middle of last year. If O'Korn starts the rest of the year and plays well, I could see Speight potentially becoming a graduate transfer if Peters masters the offense (which is apparently his problem) and McCaffery coming off his redshirt season this year. That's all premature speculation for now, though.
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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2017, 12:46:43 PM »
O'Korn holds the ball too long, doesn't make reads fast enough and often runs himself into sacks. His pocket presence is lacking. He moves up when he should side step, side steps when he should move up. His feel for the pressure ain't good. And he often hesitates- he's about to run and take off then he stops and tries to pass, or he'll wait too long to bail on a pass and then try to run. He's got to be way more decisive and just go with it.

I still like his game a lot better than Speight's. He throws with a touch and accuracy that Speight just does not have. O'Korn put a lot of balls right on the numbers or right in the hands in stride for his WR's. Speight rarely if ever throws balls like that. Most of Speight's passes are high or wide.

Defense is nasty. Devin Bush and Chase Winovich are both amazing. The speed those guys have for their positions is eye opening. You don't see DE's or LB's that run like that very often.

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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2017, 10:02:52 PM »
Chase Winovich wins National Defensive Player of the Week for his 3 sack performance against Purdue. Winovich is 1st in the B1G with 6 sacks, Devin Bush Jr is 2nd in the B1G with 4.5 sacks.

Michigan has the #1 total defense in the NCAA giving up just 203 yards per game. Michigan also has the #1 defense in terms of yards per play giving up only 3.52 yards per play. Michigan's rush defense is ranked 4th in the nation giving up 69 yards per game. Michigan's scoring defense is tied for 12th in the nation giving up 13 PPG. Take out Speight's two pick 6's though and that 13 PPG number goes down- those points weren't on the defense but still counted in that PPG total.

You take out 14 points for those pick 6's- real number is 10 PPG that defense is giving up. And 3 of Purdue's were points off a turnover and 7 of Cinci's were points off of turnovers. If they just stop turning the ball over and have an efficient offense- this team could be LETHAL because they have a hell of a defense- maybe the best kicker in the country in Nordin, a solid special teams unit and a guy in DPJ who can house it on a return or two. Entire season all rests on the QB play and the development of the offense.

Purdue's 2nd half drive chart vs. Michigan's defense:

3 plays, 1 yard, PUNT
3 plays, 3 yards, PUNT
3 plays, -3 yards, PUNT
3 plays, 5 yards, PUNT
5 plays, 3 yards, PUNT
1 play, 3 yards, FUMBLE

Purdue had more plays go for no yards or negative yards (12) than plays that gained positive yardage (5) in the 2nd half.


Yeah, this defense is pretty good with a lot of room to grow. Lots of young out there. Still haven't seen MAX Rashan Gary yet and Bryan Mone has barely touched the field. Get those two big fellas really going up a notch and this defense will be even nastier than it already is. Still think Ambry Thomas will find his way on the field at DB at some point- he's just too talented to keep on the bench and his redshirt has already been burned on special teams.
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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2017, 08:21:58 AM »
The ejections for targeting were good calls.  The refs missed another one on the late helmet to helmet hit that knocked Speight out of the game.  Purdue may have shot themselves in the ass when they knocked Speight out.
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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2017, 02:02:52 PM »
The big controversy out of West Lafayette is the lack of air conditioning or heat in the visitor locker room. The engineering school hasn't figured out how to run HVAC to it I guess. ;)

With Saturday as it was temperature wise, as many players as could fit were sent all the way out to the parking lot to sit in busses at halftime. Harbaugh was quoted stating it as "gamesmanship that is not sportsmanlike."

I get the pink locker room silliness Iowa has, but when health and safety are compromised and it isn't something the home locker room has that is a fairly big deal. It appears Harbaugh and Urban Meyer are on the same page in pushing the conference to quickly developing some uniform standards for basic size, health and safety in visitor locker rooms.

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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2017, 02:43:09 PM »

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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2017, 03:34:41 PM »
It's a shame that Michigan football's first ever visit to the visiting locker rooms of Purdue should be marred by this tragic affront upon humanity.  If Michigan had ever traveled to Purdue before, I am sure that someone would have noticed this crime and been that beacon of light to illuminate this travesty.  After all, the game of football has been played for over 100 years and those players have enjoyed perfect comfort of 72 degrees during halftime over that entire time.  Thank you Jimmy, for bringing this to the forefront of attention.



....and for the record, the locker room does have venting.  That's required by code.  So you can't claim that they have no HVAC.   :)

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Re: #8 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Purdue (0-1, 2-2) Post Game
« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2017, 06:34:28 PM »
Statement from Purdue:

"Purdue regards the welfare of all student-athletes as its No. 1 priority. We would fully support a conversation regarding a conference-wide set of guidelines for visiting football team accommodations because we have experienced less-than-ideal conditions on the road. There is no place for gamesmanship when it comes to player care and safety. 

"The after-the-fact concerns expressed by Michigan are somewhat surprising because a member of its football staff conducted a walk-thru of our facilities with our athletic department staff at Ross-Ade Stadium on July 18.

"Furthermore, to help teams prepare in advance, our visiting team manual highlights in bold type 'there is no air conditioning in the {visiting) locker rooms" with accompanying Purdue Athletics staff contact information about hot to request preferred temporary accommodations. We did not receive any such request.

"Basic X-ray is available within our athletic footprint and more-sophisticated capabilities are located two blocks away, similar to the arraignments at many other schools. Our sports medicine staff members, in fact, have received numerous compliments from their Michigan counterparts regarding the care they received at Purdue." 
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