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Topic: 8-man Flag football by school

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FearlessF

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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2025, 05:00:37 PM »
if the QB is running, I've got some options
won't be a bulldozer like Frost
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2025, 05:03:51 PM »
Nebraska's DT has to be Suh. He's the most athletic DT I've ever seen in the college game.

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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2025, 05:11:32 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 13, 2025, 05:00:37 PM
if the QB is running, I've got some options
won't be a bulldozer like Frost
Isn't *most* of Nebraska's running QB history composed of people who the fans were terrified every time they attempted a forward pass? I'm not sure that's the goal for a flag football team. I don't know how useful it is to run option in flag football when you basically can't block people anyway. :57:

For Purdue, it wouldn't change anything for me. I can't recall a QB in recent memory who was a legitimate dual threat. We had a guy (Justin Siller) a few years back who would be the closest I can think of, but he couldn't throw well enough to make me even think of him dethroning Brees on my team. And not only that, Brees was pretty mobile. He wasn't what you'd call a running QB or even a dual threat QB, but he was mobile enough to keep defenses honest with his feet. 
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2025, 05:14:51 PM »
BTW I've never really watched much flag football... You say all players are eligible to receive a pass. Strategy-wise, what does that mean for the OL/DL? 

I would think that would lead to more prioritization for athleticism for the OL and speed for the DL? 

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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2025, 05:19:43 PM »
I don't think the trenches are needed
but, if there are gonna be sacks, the running QB could be beneficial

there were a few Husker QBs that had decent arms but  probably not good enough for this game
some of those SOBs were pretty tough to put a hand on in the open field
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2025, 05:27:28 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on March 13, 2025, 03:38:45 PM
Yeah, I was thinking we don't recally need a center and we definitely don't need guards for this format.

JT23 is the Badgers best all-time back (IMO), but I don't know if he'd be the best in this format, including as a pass catcher. What say you? Fletcher,  White, and Gordon had long careers in the NFL as West Coast backs. But no one should be upset to have Taylor on their team.

I thought about Toon. I think the problem with all these things is that the players now are more athletic (bigger, faster, stronger) than the players back then were, so it's hard to choose a guy like Webster or Krumrie.
JT started to display pass catching in his final season - the RB coach let him do it so he could showcase that for the NFL. I'd take him, White and Gordon.

As for the older guys, I think they translate if they have the same training and nutrition as the kids do now.
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2025, 06:29:59 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2025, 05:14:51 PM
BTW I've never really watched much flag football... You say all players are eligible to receive a pass. Strategy-wise, what does that mean for the OL/DL?

I would think that would lead to more prioritization for athleticism for the OL and speed for the DL?


Yes, BUT....my bigger guys are playing line not because it's better for being linemen, but because they can't really help at receiver/DB.  So they wind up on the line.
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2025, 06:34:54 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on March 13, 2025, 03:38:45 PM
I thought about Toon. I think the problem with all these things is that the players now are more athletic (bigger, faster, stronger) than the players back then were, so it's hard to choose a guy like Webster or Krumrie.
When throwing guys from different eras together, you have to rate them in terms of something like a 0-100 scale of how good they were against their peers.  Otherwise, you'd have ZERO offensive linemen on any all-time teams before the 1990s.

If a 250 lb guard was something like a 98-rated (out of 100) player in 1983, he's the equal of the 340 lb guard from 2024 who is great and a similarly-rated player.  It's the only way to do it.  Some people struggle with this, and I get it, but just sort of tweak your thinking to something other than the actual players themselves time-traveling and physically lining up on the same field together
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2025, 06:44:21 PM »
Quote from: ELA on March 13, 2025, 12:34:49 PM
NFL Flag rules, which is what I believe the Olympics are using in 2028, do not allow QB runs.  When my son played flag, QB could only run once per possession
I assume every league has different rules.  
It's fun to design plays for a lineman getting the ball.  But it makes defense impossible lol.
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2025, 06:49:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2025, 06:29:59 PM
Yes, BUT....my bigger guys are playing line not because it's better for being linemen, but because they can't really help at receiver/DB.  So they wind up on the line.
But the question is more about what level of "blocking" is allowed.

It's one thing to have a 6'8" 330 lb land mass with agility LT when he physically has to block a 6'5" 280# physical freak edge rusher using their massive sizes against each other. It's entirely another when neither of them have helmets or pads and the rules constrain their ability to actually contact each other. 

If they can't truly block, I might be inclined to use TEs for the offensive line positions and OLBs for the defensive line positions... 
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2025, 07:17:43 PM »
Just give me Braxton Miller and Ted Ginn Jr
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2025, 07:32:30 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2025, 06:49:06 PM
But the question is more about what level of "blocking" is allowed.

It's one thing to have a 6'8" 330 lb land mass with agility LT when he physically has to block a 6'5" 280# physical freak edge rusher using their massive sizes against each other. It's entirely another when neither of them have helmets or pads and the rules constrain their ability to actually contact each other.

If they can't truly block, I might be inclined to use TEs for the offensive line positions and OLBs for the defensive line positions...
I respect it, but we mayyyyy be diving a little too deep here, lol.  
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2025, 01:15:25 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2025, 06:49:06 PM
But the question is more about what level of "blocking" is allowed.

It's one thing to have a 6'8" 330 lb land mass with agility LT when he physically has to block a 6'5" 280# physical freak edge rusher using their massive sizes against each other. It's entirely another when neither of them have helmets or pads and the rules constrain their ability to actually contact each other.

If they can't truly block, I might be inclined to use TEs for the offensive line positions and OLBs for the defensive line positions...
For sure: that's why I already used a TE (and a pass catching one at that) for one of my line positions, and I could definitely see using one or two more.
Joe Thomas was a great athlete, though. I think he probably would still make this team.
Honestly, I also wonder if Ron Vander Kelen or Brooks Bollinger might be the right Wisconsin QB. But on further review, nah. It's Wilson.
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Re: 8-man Flag football by school
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2025, 02:33:22 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on March 14, 2025, 01:15:25 PM
For sure: that's why I already used a TE (and a pass catching one at that) for one of my line positions, and I could definitely see using one or two more.
Joe Thomas was a great athlete, though. I think he probably would still make this team.
Honestly, I also wonder if Ron Vander Kelen or Brooks Bollinger might be the right Wisconsin QB. But on further review, nah. It's Wilson.
Got it. Well then I'd still think there needs to be a center, but I'd probably then roll in Tim Stratton and Dustin Keller on the OL instead of Light/Kelly. Both will be more agile, and if you don't have to deal with a bull rush from someone the size/strength of JJ Watt, you don't need someone with LT mass. 

On the DL that would probably lead more to speed rushers / OLB that occasionally put a hand in the dirt than big DTs or even some highly-regarded DEs.
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