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Topic: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game

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Mdot21

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2022, 12:18:08 PM »
I think Ohio State wins by 2 TD’s. They will just have way too much fire power on offense for Notre Dame to keep pace with. 

That QB-RB-WR1 trio is unmatched in the sport heading into 2022.

What’s wild is Olave, Wilson, and Jameson we’re all top 15 nfl draft picks, and JSN is better than all of them imo. 

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2022, 12:24:17 PM »
All due respect Medina- but I don’t know where your getting your confidence from.  I’m not saying that you may not turn out to be correct, I’m just curious as hell how you’re there already.

The Buckeyes we’re horrible last season on 3rd down conversions on BOTH sides of the ball.

on defense the issue was pretty obvious and that is because they ran the same exact formation on virtually every third down it was super easy for good teams like Oregon and Michigan to manipulate them, and outmanned them at the point of attack on running plays, or no well ahead of time before the snap where the openings were for a quick pass place success.

so enter the new defensive coordinator who has a reputation for doing extremely well at disguising the defense and running multiple different defenses from the same look. Yes I think eventually that should improve it but I’m not buying it until I actually see it in production.
Defense:
Some of this for me is simply lingering frustration but can you honestly say that you think there is more than a trivial chance that the defense will actually be worse than last year?

It is easy to forget this but it shows how insanely spoiled we are that we are coming off of an 11-2 Rose Bowl Championship season and Buckeye fans are near-unanimously disappointed with that.

My point here is to remember that our Buckeyes went 11-2 with a flat awful defense last year. I'd love to see a top-5 defense this year but they won't need that to beat Notre Dame. A merely competent defense last year would have put the Buckeyes in the CFP at 13-0 and Michigan will probably take a step back due to turnover so basic competence on defense would probably get the Buckeyes to the CFP this year as well.
On offense, Ohio State was incredibly predictable. I’ve been watching a lot of film study and it’s actually kind of sad. In the pistol formation they didn’t throw a single pass so the other team knew it was a run. Just look at the Michigan in Oregon games and all the critical third downs where it was third and two or third and one, and the buckeyes got stuffed. And it wasn’t just those two games, Penn State in Nebraska and other teams as well

so enter Justin Fry, new office of line coach who has a reputation of creative blocking schemes and physicality on the office of line. Also this season we’re going to have two guards and two tackles as opposed to four tackles, so I do expect improvement there as well but I won’t believe it until I see it on the field.
Offense:

The Rose Bowl showed (I hope/think) that the Buckeyes were so ludicrously loaded at WR that they can actually afford their losses and still probably have the best WR corps in this side of the NFL. The line (per your post) *SHOULD* be better at run-blocking, and the returning starters at QB and RB should be at least as good as they were last year. I certainly could be wrong but I think that all adds up to an offense that will actually be better than last year's best-in-the-country* unit.

*On that "best-in-the-country" thing, statistically they were. However, their inability to run in short yardage situations was a glaring weakness. I think that this year's offense will be improved there (both due to the line and due to the RB) but that might actually detract from their statistical success overall such that I expect the 2022 offense to be functionally better but statistically worse than the 2021 offense.

The Buckeyes we’re horrible last season on 3rd down conversions on BOTH sides of the ball.
There was a point during THE GAME last year when the Buckeyes faced a VERY long 2nd down. IIRC it was 2nd at 25. As longtime Ohio State fans you and I both know that for most of our years of watching Ohio State a 2nd and 25 was an opportunity to go get some food or a frosty beverage because Bruce/Cooper/Tressel was going to minimize the damage and punt.

I looked at my brother and said "Ya know, they'll probably pick this up and it doesn't matter because we can't stop them."

They did pick it up and they scored a TD on the drive and it didn't matter because after that the rules stipulated that our guts had to kick the ball back to the guys in blue and yellow and we couldn't stop them.

Your point about 3rd downs is VERY important. If the Buckeyes needed to convert a 2nd and 25 or a 3rd and 15 and I were given the choice of any tOSU offense I can remember to do it, I'd pick 2021. However, if they needed to convert a 3rd and 2 or 4th and 1 and I were given the same choice the 2021 offense wouldn't be anywhere bear the top of my list.

Of course I could be wrong but I think that the defense will be better in part simply because it would be difficult to be worse and I think that the offense will be better because the line should be better (at least at run-blocking) and the RB gas a year under his belt.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2022, 01:00:55 PM »
So medina, I'm predicting the Buckeyes to allow 27 points.  That wouldn't be worse than last year as they allowed 35 to Oregon, 42 to Utah and 42 to Michigan.  But it's not elite level either.  So it can be better without also being a top 25 defense (at least to start).

So with a 38-27 win, would you need to re-evaluate your thoughts on the Buckeyes?  How big are you expecting to win, and maybe more importantly, are you expecting the defense to hold ND to 10 or less?

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2022, 01:03:39 PM »
Notre Dame has the style and the players to slow the game down. They can hold the ball for long periods of time even without scoring.

They also have the defensive personnel and style to make Ohio State Dr. the whole field.

Those things alone point to a tighter game.   

I will be happy with a win even if it is 24-21.  
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2022, 01:54:47 PM »
So medina, I'm predicting the Buckeyes to allow 27 points.  That wouldn't be worse than last year as they allowed 35 to Oregon, 42 to Utah and 42 to Michigan.  But it's not elite level either.  So it can be better without also being a top 25 defense (at least to start).

So with a 38-27 win, would you need to re-evaluate your thoughts on the Buckeyes?  How big are you expecting to win, and maybe more importantly, are you expecting the defense to hold ND to 10 or less?
I know you know this, but I want to point it out anyway because it is important to how I would view the hypothetical 38-27 win.

If Ohio State takes a 38-13 lead into the 4th quarter then allows two late TD''s in a game that was never in doubt that is "only" an 11 point win which is technically less than the spread but I'd be happy and feel no need to re-evaluate things.

OTOH, if Ohio State trails 27-24 going into the 4th quarter, scores a go-ahead TD fairly late, then tacks on a final TD to make it look better than it was at 38-27 then I'll be quite concerned and potentially need to re-evaluate things.

I say potentially in the second scenario for the same reason that you parenthetically added "at least to start".   It is entirely possible that Knowles' new D will take a few games to work the bugs out so I could see a not implausible scenario in which the D against ND looks barely improved over last year but is MUCH better by the time the biggest games come along in November, December, and January. Thus, if the D doesn't look too good at first, my view of the D coming out of the ND game will be to take a wait-and-see approach with the understanding that they'll have two tune-ups to get it right before hosting Wisconsin.

Basically what I expect is an Ohio State win that isn't in significant doubt in the 4th quarter.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2022, 01:56:45 PM »
What’s wild is Olave, Wilson, and Jameson we’re all top 15 nfl draft picks, and JSN is better than all of them imo.
He's certainly on at least an equal trajectory if he maintains and I hope you're right
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2022, 01:57:53 PM »
Notre Dame has the style and the players to slow the game down. They can hold the ball for long periods of time even without scoring.

They also have the defensive personnel and style to make Ohio State Dr. the whole field.

Those things alone point to a tighter game. 

I will be happy with a win even if it is 24-21. 
Seems like ND always has quality interior linemen
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2022, 02:22:24 PM »
... and tight ends ...

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2022, 02:35:31 PM »
There is NO WAY OSU beats ND.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2022, 08:09:20 AM »
wow. I didn't mean to end this thread. y'all can keep talking now.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2022, 08:19:35 AM »
I've voiced the common opinion that OSU has too many offensive weapons for ND to keep up.  ND needs at least +2 in TOs plus a couple other breaks, which could happen.

ND is likely a top 12 kind of team, but OSU is a top 2.  Duh.  And it's in Cbus.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2022, 11:48:51 AM »
Besides Ohio State’s matchup advantages when it comes to playing at home, experience, and overall talent on the roster, especially at the skill positions, I believe the Buckeyes biggest advantage is that they won’t/don’t approach Notre Dame as a team to overlook, much as OSU similarly doesn’t give Michigan an inch in seasons favored by 20.

In short, Notre Dame won’t be able to sneak up on Ohio State like Iowa and Purdue have sometimes caught the Buckeyes unprepared.

I’ve watched all four Buckeyes-Irish matchups since 1995, and in each of those four wins, Ohio State rushed out prepared, ready to intimidate, and didn’t let up. I don’t expect any different from the Buckeyes this Saturday.

OSU 41 - ND 13




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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2022, 01:08:32 PM »
I'm still a bit salty about that 1935 game.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-0) at #2 Ohio State (0-0, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2022, 01:24:19 PM »
I'm still a bit salty about that 1935 game.
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