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Topic: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #112 on: September 06, 2022, 02:25:32 PM »
Best wishes Mario - you have a cheering section.On the bright side today's medicine brings the very best. Even the food was tasty lastime I was in 4 yrs back
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #113 on: September 06, 2022, 02:45:49 PM »
MB - although this could be its own thread, I always welcome a chance to sabotage a Buckeye thread. 😜
I'll allow it.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #114 on: September 06, 2022, 03:14:43 PM »
Last season- OHio State struggled with teams that had these 3 things:
1 were highly talented
2. Could run the ball physically
3. Had Offensive coordinators who knew how to take advantage of their completely predictable, vanilla defensive scheme. 
They lost 2 of those games and nearly lost 2 others ( Utah, Nebraska)

I assumed they would improve those things this season with the coaching changes to defense and the offensive line. But I didn’t know how long those things would take to be visible. 

I also thought, and said, ND will be as good as anyone on the schedule on both lines, so they would slow the game down and run clock and make OSU drive the whole field patiently.  (PFF has ND listed as one of the nations best O-lines and D-lines)

OSU showed dramatic improvement on running when the opponent knows your running, stopping the run, and making it difficult to call offensive plays, because the defense is disguised.

when you have a 5 week stretch-  of 4 teams known to be physical on your schedule- that can wear a team down. ( Wisconsin, Iowa, MSU, and Penn State)

Based on what I saw Saturday, they look substantially more prepared to wether that than they did last season. 

The winning trends you mention are great. But it won’t mean anything during the actual game.  Just like their winning streak against UM last season didn’t help them from being physically pushed around all day. 

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Stats tell a story, but there is nuance and momentum and human aspects to the real games.

Did I not call the style of game versus ND correctly?  Again- look at Georgia’s first game last season- a 10-3 win over Clemson.

Teams look different in week 5-6 than they do in Week 1. 

Now if they don’t look any different against the lessor teams in terms of offensive explosiveness- I will start to feel differently.  But based on that one game, how it played out, the quality of the opponent- I am very optimistic that they will be hard to beat by any style of team.
I think I have a better idea of where you are coming from now.

When I first read your "chance to be competitive" comment I read it as doom-and-gloom, "I hope the Buckeyes are good enough to compete with MSU" and I thought that was outright ridiculous. I know streaks don't matter in-game but for a fan of a team that has won six straight against the Spartans to hope his team is competitive against them is kinda silly.

Teams definitely look different down the stretch than on Labor Day weekend even without personnel issues (Fleming, JSN) so I'm hoping for improvement mainly on three things:
  • Limiting big plays defensively: They weren't bad at this on Saturday but that first play stung and they were oh-so-close to blowing that up. First, they almost got Buchner. Second, they were in position to bat the ball down. Third, the safety who came up to cover the WR hit the WR right as he caught the ball, trying to break up the pass. That was a mistake on his part. If there is someone behind you to contain then go for the INT/PBU but if not (as in this case) then you shouldn't take that risk because if you miss then you give up a ton of yards (54 in this case and the catch/contact was only about 8 yards from the LOS).
  • Explosiveness offensively in the running game. Henderson and Williams combined for 29 carries for 175 yards which is fine. That is an average of just over 6 per but their four longest runs were 16, 15, 12, and 12. Break one for an extra 60 in there and you get 29 for 235 for an average of over 8.
  • Explosiveness offensively in the passing game. I assume this will come with JSN and Fleming returning but averaging <10 per catch and <7 per attempt isn't very scary to opposing defenses.


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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #115 on: September 06, 2022, 03:34:09 PM »
I think I have a better idea of where you are coming from now.

When I first read your "chance to be competitive" comment I read it as doom-and-gloom, "I hope the Buckeyes are good enough to compete with MSU" and I thought that was outright ridiculous. I know streaks don't matter in-game but for a fan of a team that has won six straight against the Spartans to hope his team is competitive against them is kinda silly.

Teams definitely look different down the stretch than on Labor Day weekend even without personnel issues (Fleming, JSN) so I'm hoping for improvement mainly on three things:
  • Limiting big plays defensively: They weren't bad at this on Saturday but that first play stung and they were oh-so-close to blowing that up. First, they almost got Buchner. Second, they were in position to bat the ball down. Third, the safety who came up to cover the WR hit the WR right as he caught the ball, trying to break up the pass. That was a mistake on his part. If there is someone behind you to contain then go for the INT/PBU but if not (as in this case) then you shouldn't take that risk because if you miss then you give up a ton of yards (54 in this case and the catch/contact was only about 8 yards from the LOS).
  • Explosiveness offensively in the running game. Henderson and Williams combined for 29 carries for 175 yards which is fine. That is an average of just over 6 per but their four longest runs were 16, 15, 12, and 12. Break one for an extra 60 in there and you get 29 for 235 for an average of over 8.
  • Explosiveness offensively in the passing game. I assume this will come with JSN and Fleming returning but averaging <10 per catch and <7 per attempt isn't very scary to opposing defenses.


Completely agree.  Josh Proctor blew that first play, barely but it cost him playing time since Lathan Ransom replace him and never left the field
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #116 on: September 06, 2022, 03:36:42 PM »
Yeah, I think Josh Proctor has too many bone-head plays like that to make it hard to play him over Ransom.  He has some flashy plays, but they can't risk the mistakes.  I'd rather have a Jordan Fuller type back there who is barely noticed, but limits the big plays.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #117 on: September 07, 2022, 12:23:31 PM »
Another good thing for the Buckeyes coming out of the ND game:

They only really had one RB run that "failed" in such a way as to cost tOSU anything. 

Of Williams' and Henderson's 29 combined carries only four went for less than three yards. Of those four, however, one was a two yard run for a TD on 2nd and goal and another was a one yard run for a first down on 2nd and one. Another was a run for no gain against a goal-line D on 1st and goal from the 2 that immediately preceeded the aforementioned two yard TD run so that didn't cost them anything. 

The only really costly failure was a one yard run on 3rd and 2 late in the first quarter but it was quite costly.

The set-up:
After Notre Dame's big gain on the first play of the game, their offense managed only negligible yards and zero first downs on the ensuing series and their next two possessions. Meanwhile, the Buckeyes had picked up multiple first downs, a considerable amount of yards, and a TD to take a 7-3 lead.

Notre Dame went three-and-out after tOSU's TD and the Buckeyes got the ball on their own 28 with about three minutes to go in the first quarter. This was the first time that Ohio State had the ball with the opportunity to take a two-posession lead and, as it turned out, the Buckeyes would not have that opportunity again until the fourth quarter. 

The drive started out great! On 1st and 10 from the 28 Williams ran for eight to set up 2nd and 2 from the 36. Stroud threw an incomplete pass which set up a 3rd and 2. That should be converted but in this case, it wasn't. Williams was held to one yard on 3rd and 2 and the Buckeyes punted to ND who promptly went 87 yards to take a 10-7 lead that they would hold until late in the third quarter. 

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #118 on: September 07, 2022, 12:42:50 PM »
MB - although this could be its own thread, I always welcome a chance to sabotage a Buckeye thread. 😜

SuperMario,

Totally worth derailing a football thread. Life is way more important than that pointy ball thing we all also seem to like.
Best of like to you and your family and speedy recovery.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2022, 12:56:00 PM by TyphonInc »

 

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