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Topic: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game

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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #182 on: September 09, 2024, 10:19:17 AM »
Michigan's OL PFF grades were nothing short of amazing.  RT Link, a redshirt freshman, graded out at 22.7.  How does a red shirt freshman win a starting job at RT?  Hard to believe the older tackles are that bad.



https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/9/8/24238917/michigan-football-pff-grades-snap-counts-texas-longhorns-2024-season
S Makari Paige - 61 / 56.2

I'm surprised the rating is this high. Makari was terrible. Consistently missed tackles, out of position and beat many plays.  Was pretty surprising.

Maybe they should also rate the play calling. It was the worst part. The fact this game was an absolute blowout and Orji was still only on the field for three plays and late in the game they didn't at least give him some reps to throw the ball is all I needed to know about play calling and this "new" staff. There's a difference between sticking to a plan and incompetent stubbornness. 

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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #183 on: September 09, 2024, 12:44:28 PM »
As an aside, all of the Texas folks I know both in real life and on some UT-specific message boards I hang out on, who attended the game live in Ann Arbor, were highly complimentary of both the stadium and the fans at Michigan.  Specifically they really loved the lack of advertising signage inside the stadium, and said it felt so much more like an old-school football atmosphere.

Thought y'all might like to hear that.
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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #184 on: September 09, 2024, 12:48:53 PM »
that'll make MDot feel better
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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #185 on: September 09, 2024, 12:51:49 PM »
that'll make MDot feel better
Ha!  Pretty sure he would NOT want a friendly, welcoming environment for opposing fans. :)

I also heard that for some reason lots of the UM fans couldn't figure out how to do horns-down properly, so Longhorn fans were actually stopping to help teach them how do horns-down the right way.

Seems odd because sooner fans who basically invented it 6 decades ago, have never had any problem knowing its proper mechanics and usage.


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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #186 on: September 09, 2024, 12:53:02 PM »

Maybe they should also rate the play calling. It was the worst part. The fact this game was an absolute blowout and Orji was still only on the field for three plays and late in the game they didn't at least give him some reps to throw the ball is all I needed to know about play calling and this "new" staff. There's a difference between sticking to a plan and incompetent stubbornness.
I agree with keeping Orji off the field if he can't consistently complete routine open passes.  If he could, I'm sure he'd be starting due to his running ability.  If Orji can't pass the ball after a couple years in the system, it ain't happening and they're best off going with Warren.  Did you notice that Warren had the highest PFF grade for the team?
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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #187 on: September 09, 2024, 12:54:28 PM »
Meh-- I'll take an actual player's opinion over that of a hated rival. :)

Alabama players said Austin was just as loud and intimidating as any SEC stadium they'd ever played in.  We tend to bring it for big games.  Quoting veteran Alabama LB Will Anderson after the game in Austin in 2022:

https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/longhorns-alabama-crimson-tide-will-anderson-nick-saban-crowd-noise


And Georgia's certainly earned the right to be ranked ahead of Texas based on history.  Not this season, though.  This season they've done nothing, to prove anything.  I don't see any reason to believe Clemson is any better than Michigan.

Anyway, Horns have to take care of business before that, no chance to look ahead.
I won't deny I have never been to a game in Austin, and sadly anywhere else for that matter.  So I'm only going by what I've heard through the years, so it may be baseless.  

I think you may have a point about what each team has done so far this season, and it will be evenly  matched.  The reason why I put so much faith in Georgia is because they have been excellent in the SEC for several years, whereas Texas had a really good season last year and are off to a good start this year.  

Usually, when two good teams face off that appear to be about equal, I look at the head coaches to see who has the better overall record, and without a doubt it's Smart.  

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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #188 on: September 09, 2024, 12:56:25 PM »
As an aside, all of the Texas folks I know both in real life and on some UT-specific message boards I hang out on, who attended the game live in Ann Arbor, were highly complimentary of both the stadium and the fans at Michigan.  Specifically they really loved the lack of advertising signage inside the stadium, and said it felt so much more like an old-school football atmosphere.

Thought y'all might like to hear that.
Thanks.  I'm an old fart that would hate such advertising.  Probably almost as much as the loud obnoxious piped in music.  Rather just have the band provide the tunes as in the olden days when the PA system was primarily used for relaying play results and scores elsewhere.
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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #189 on: September 09, 2024, 12:57:37 PM »
Did anyone call for a wellness check on MDot?
I'm fine. Lol. 

Game went about as how I predicted it would. I had it at 27-17, game was actually a little bit worse than I thought but in the ballpark. 

Watching it in person, thoughts are: 

Texas is REALLY good. Legit Natty contender. Texas has an ELITE OL (the kind Michigan used to have) and Quinn Ewers is very talented, was the #1 'croot in HS for a reason and a future NFL draft pick. That was the two biggest differences in the game. Texas has an NFL draft pick QB and an elite OL, Michigan has an OL in total rebuild mode trying to find their way forward and they literally do not have a QB. 

Davis Warren is truly awful and was a walk-on for a reason. Michigan just flat out does not have a QB and in this day and age I don't see how that happens. How do you not recruit anyone in '22 or '23 class to replace JJ (who was '21 class) or get someone in the portal? It's clear that Orji is a wildcat RB and nothing more, coaches clearly don't trust him to throw the ball. If you won't actually let him play QB then move him to RB/TE or EDGE rusher. Do something with his athletic ability rather than waste it as a gimmick trick player. 

I am out on Kirk Campbell and Wink Martindale. Need to fire them both and find real Co-Ordinators in the off-season. Kirk Campbell has never proven anything as a coach at any level, this is Michigan, go get a real OC with a proven track record. As far as Martindale goes, he is just too old and past his prime. It happens. OG of the defense stands for Old Grandpa. There is a reason he was run out of the NFL. Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter might've learned that system from him but they evolved with the game and adapted the system to the current trends. Wink still running the same defenses he did a decade ago. Newsflash: game changes and evolves drastically over a decade. 

I have faith that Sherrone Moore will get that OL together by the end of the year, but it won't matter. Michigan is highly FUCKED at QB this year. No clue how you don't call your big donors and tell them to send a bag to Cam Ward or Dante Moore. Gonna be a long season. 

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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #190 on: September 09, 2024, 12:58:27 PM »
I agree with keeping Orji off the field if he can't consistently complete routine open passes.  If he could, I'm sure he'd be starting due to his running ability.  If Orji can't pass the ball after a couple years in the system, it ain't happening and they're best off going with Warren.  Did you notice that Warren had the highest PFF grade for the team?
take PFF grades with a giant grain of salt. David Warren fucking sucked that game.

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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #191 on: September 09, 2024, 01:09:51 PM »
I am out on Kirk Campbell and Wink Martindale. Need to fire them both and find real Co-Ordinators in the off-season. Kirk Campbell has never proven anything as a coach at any level, this is Michigan, go get a real OC with a proven track record. As far as Martindale goes, he is just too old and past his prime. It happens. OG of the defense stands for Old Grandpa. There is a reason he was run out of the NFL. Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter might've learned that system from him but they evolved with the game and adapted the system to the current trends. Wink still running the same defenses he did a decade ago. Newsflash: game changes and evolves drastically over a decade.

I have faith that Sherrone Moore will get that OL together by the end of the year, but it won't matter. Michigan is highly FUCKED at QB this year. No clue how you don't call your big donors and tell them to send a bag to Cam Ward or Dante Moore. Gonna be a long season.
I agree with the first paragraph. Michigan needs to find an OC/QB coach that has a national reputation and can recruit.  Wink was likely the best available by the time Harbaugh got around to leaving for the NFL with Minter.  Maybe Wink can turn it around but I have my doubts.

If Michigan can fix the OL they have chance to be good.  Warren is good enough if there's a serviceable running game.  USC in two weeks is now a make the playoff or break game.
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« Reply #192 on: September 09, 2024, 01:11:18 PM »
I agree with the first paragraph. Michigan needs to find an OC/QB coach that has a national reputation and can recruit.  Wink was likely the best available by the time Harbaugh got around to leaving for the NFL with Minter.

If Michigan can fix the OL they have chance to be an good.  Warren is good enough if there's a serviceable running game.
Yeah I think this was rough timing for Michigan.  The team's going to be much better by the end of the year.

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« Reply #193 on: September 09, 2024, 01:14:47 PM »
I agree with the first paragraph. Michigan needs to find an OC/QB coach that has a national reputation and can recruit.  Wink was likely the best available by the time Harbaugh got around to leaving for the NFL with Minter.

If Michigan can fix the OL they have chance to be an good.  Warren is good enough if there's a serviceable running game.
no he isn't. he is truly awful, and seeing him in person just substantiated what I had believed about him after seeing him week 1 vs Fresno State.

Davis Warren missed wide open receivers that he never even looked at because he either refuses to or does not have the capability to go through his progressions. He locks onto his first read and throws it there regardless of situation or coverage. He'll force balls into double coverage- which is why he had 2 picks. And he under throws or overthrows or throws just a touch behind on nearly every throw. Davis Warren has god awful pocket presence and also doesn't have the ability to change arm angles and make throws in the face of pressure, he also cannot escape pressure and make a throw on the run or use his legs to pick up a first down.

JJ McCarthy was a VERY talented QB and lot better than people realized. Which is why he was a 5* recruit and just went top 10 in an NFL draft.

Davis Warren was a walk-on for a reason who will be selling insurance next year and never sniff the NFL. 

This is Michigan for christ sake. You should be able to find a Cade McNamara level QB at worst every season. Warren isn't even that.

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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #194 on: September 09, 2024, 01:15:44 PM »
Yeah I think this was rough timing for Michigan.  The team's going to be much better by the end of the year.
What would you guess their record might be?  If they ran to 11-1 or 10-2, it would do UT a lot of good, if they needed it.

We still don't really know all that much about these teams.  Is Clemson a fairly good team?  Maybe.

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Re: #4 Texas (2-0) at #9 Michigan (1-1) Post Game
« Reply #195 on: September 09, 2024, 01:16:20 PM »
USC in two weeks is now a make the playoff or break game.
make the playoff???
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