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Topic: #4 Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at #3 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) Post Game

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2024, 10:38:07 AM »

https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1851328166931157076
You LOVE to throw this "Ryan Day is 2-6 against top-5 teams" stat out there but I think it is misleading at best for at least three reasons:

First, is 2-6 against top-5 teams really all that bad?  The reality is that top-5 teams don't lose very often, that is why they are top-5 teams.  Beyond that, this 2-6 is THAT far below .500.  Lets look at the tape:
  • 2019, L 29-23 to #3 Clemson in CFP semi-final.  A couple thoughts:  First, the fact that they got to the CFP semi-final needs to viewed as an accomplishment and getting there involved beating #25 MSU (by 24 points), #13 UW (by 31 points), #8 PSU (by 11), #13 M (by 29), and #8 UW (by 13).  Second, this was an incredibly close game decided by an INT in the EZ with just seconds to go.  Also, there are a LOT of calls in this game that tOSU fans are still stewing over. 
  • 2020:  W 49-28 over #2 Clemson in CFP semi-final.  Absolute blowout. 
  • 2020:  L 52-24 to #1 Bama in CFP CG.  Well, Bama was that year's NC.  This was a phenomenal team and well that just happens. 
  • 2021:  L 42-27 to #5 M.  This win will be vacated once the NCAA penalties for Michigan's flagrant cheating over the last three years come down. 
  • 2022:  W 21-10 over #5 ND. 
  • 2022:  L 45-23 to #3 M.  This win will be vacated once the NCAA penalties for Michigan's flagrant cheating over the last three years come down. 
  • 2022:  L 42-42 to #1 Georgia.  They were that year's NC and absolutely obliterated TCU in the CG.  Also, this was an incredibly close game that came down to a missed FG as time expired. 
  • 2023:  L 30-24 to #3 M.  This win will be vacated once the NCAA penalties for Michigan's flagrant cheating over the last three years come down. 
  • 2024:  L 32-31 to #3 Oregon.  This was an incredibly close game that came down to literally the last second. 

For starters, I'm seeing 2-7 which is actually worse than the 2-6 you are throwing around. 

That said, the two wins were a blowout and a solid 11-point win while three of the seven losses were by a combined total of 8 points and all three games came down to the last few seconds.  Then there are the three losses that will be vacated.  There is only one bad loss and that was to a team that might be the best in the history of CFB. 

Secondly, three of the losses were to a team that was flagrantly cheating.  

Thirdly, one thing that Ryan Day gets FAR too little credit for is NEVER losing to bad teams.  In his 5-1/2 years so far here are all of his teams' losses:
  • To #3 Clemson in CFP Semi-final.  
  • To #1 Bama in CFP CG.  
  • To #12 Oregon.  
  • To #5 Michigan*. 
  • To #3 Michigan*.  
  • To #1 Georgia.  
  • To #3 Michigan*.  
  • To #9 Mizzou.  
  • To #3 Oregon.  
Teams in bold were that year's NC.  *indicates a team was flagrantly cheating at the time and will vacate the win.  

That #12 2020 Oregon team is the only non-top-10 team Ryan Day's Buckeyes have EVER lost to.  Most people take this for granted because a team "should" beat the bad teams but Urban didn't.  Tressel didn't.  Woody didn't.  It also goes well beyond Ohio State.  Ask Pete Carrol how many NC's he lost due to losing to crap teams.  
« Last Edit: October 30, 2024, 10:43:47 AM by medinabuckeye1 »

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2024, 11:01:01 AM »
I hear you Medina. 

His record against ranked teams and top ten teams is quite good.  

And they were a little snake bit against Clemson, Georgia and Oregon as far as officiating.  

But he would tell you ( and he has said this himself repeatedly) if you have to rely on officiating- then you failed. You need to leave no doubt.  

So- as good as he has been- he owns the shitty record against top 5 teams. 
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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2024, 11:30:57 AM »
At the time I really thought/hoped that it was a "breakout" game and we'd see more of the same from JTT going forward. 

I think you are overstating it here but I do agree with you to an extent.  He is a decent DL, but nothing like what he flashed in that game. 
I don't think I'm overstating it. He was a 5* high profile recruit, and he went absolutely nuts vs Penn State in his true soph year. I thought for sure that was his breakout game and he was going to spring board into Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Chase Young territory. Never happened. Was not saying he's a bad player. He's a very good player. He just isn't what I thought he was going to be considering his recruiting profile. Really thought he was going to be a Bosa bro/Chase Young level edge rusher impact player top 5-10 overall pick. 

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2024, 11:33:10 AM »
I wouldn't call 2-6 shitty

average maybe
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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2024, 11:33:51 AM »
You LOVE to throw this "Ryan Day is 2-6 against top-5 teams" stat out there but I think it is misleading at best for at least three reasons:


not really. I just posted a meme that I thought was funny. I picked Ohio State to win this game because: James Franklin will find a way someway somehow to blow it. It's just what he does.

Btw I've said repeatedly Ryan Day is a great coach who wins almost 90% of his games- which is an insane win rate- and Ohio State would be crazy to move on from him. You fire him who you going to get that's better? There is no Urbz or Saint Nick out there that is a sure fire thing. 

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2024, 12:05:57 PM »
Yeah, 2-6 (or 2-7 against top-5) isn't at all bad against top-3 teams (even those that were cheating).

Also, winning the games you are supposed to win is very much underrated.

Happy Vally is a tough place to play. I agree that if PSU get up two scores early, that could really start to snowball. On the other hand, PSU doesn't feel all that explosive, so this feels much more likely to be a grinding kind of a game with an amped crowd. Should be really fun. These were the games PSU joined the conference (and was added) for.

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2024, 12:43:24 PM »
I don't think I'm overstating it. He was a 5* high profile recruit, and he went absolutely nuts vs Penn State in his true soph year. I thought for sure that was his breakout game and he was going to spring board into Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Chase Young territory. Never happened. Was not saying he's a bad player. He's a very good player. He just isn't what I thought he was going to be considering his recruiting profile. Really thought he was going to be a Bosa bro/Chase Young level edge rusher impact player top 5-10 overall pick.
This I agree with.  In your earlier post I didn't know if you were saying this or basically "he sucks" so my comment was to push back if you WERE saying he sucked because he doesn't suck.  I do agree, however that he hasn't materialized into what I expected, especially after the MONSTER performance against PSU.  

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2024, 06:49:24 PM »
Penn State 24, Ohio State 20

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2024, 11:19:59 AM »
  • 2020:  L 52-24 to #1 Bama in CFP CG.  Well, Bama was that year's NC.  This was a phenomenal team and well that just happens. 

 This was also Covid year where OSU tested and was only able to suit up 53 players. 'bama refused to test and suited up 103. Kevin Warren/Covid made sure this game was over before the players even took the field.

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2024, 11:28:01 AM »
This was also Covid year where OSU tested and was only able to suit up 53 players. 'bama refused to test and suited up 103. Kevin Warren/Covid made sure this game was over before the players even took the field.
I honestly don't think the number of players would have mattered at all.  That Bama team doesn't get the credit they should because it was overshadowed by the weird COVID protocols and whatnot but that team has a pretty strong argument for GOAT.  

Due to COVID they played 10 SEC Regular Season games, the SECCG, and two CFP games.  No FCS patsies.  They outscored THAT slate 630-252.  That Ohio State team was pretty good and dominated Clemson in the CFP Semi-Final which was nice (after years of struggles against Clemson) but I just don't think they were on Bama's level.  

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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2024, 11:38:21 AM »
Maybe not, but we will never know.


And, I think a lot of people give 'bama props for being good. I'm not hearing enough people shit on Kevin Warren for being @ss bad.
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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2024, 11:53:44 AM »

  • 2019, L 29-23 to #3 Clemson in CFP semi-final.  A couple thoughts:  First, the fact that they got to the CFP semi-final needs to viewed as an accomplishment and getting there involved beating #25 MSU (by 24 points), #13 UW (by 31 points), #8 PSU (by 11), #13 M (by 29), and #8 UW (by 13).  Second, this was an incredibly close game decided by an INT in the EZ with just seconds to go.  Also, there are a LOT of calls in this game that tOSU fans are still stewing over. 

I still have PTST over those 6 steps and a football move that got ruled an incomplete pass.
As well as the wrap up form tackle that got called targeting because Lawrence's ribs were hurt during the play.


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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2024, 03:52:35 PM »
I still have PTST over those 6 steps and a football move that got ruled an incomplete pass.
As well as the wrap up form tackle that got called targeting because Lawrence's ribs were hurt during the play.


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Jesus that ref should have been hog tied,slathered in peanut butter and dropped on a red ant colony.He should have been fined and fired,it's the worst call affecting the outcome of a CFB Play Off Game I can recall. That said I'm not sure we'd beat LSU and Jeaux Bureaux.Gun to my head I'd take them straight up,but still.....
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Re: #4 Ohio State (6-1, 3-1) at #3 Penn State (7-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2024, 04:26:43 PM »
I honestly don't think the number of players would have mattered at all.  That Bama team doesn't get the credit they should because it was overshadowed by the weird COVID protocols and whatnot but that team has a pretty strong argument for GOAT. 

Due to COVID they played 10 SEC Regular Season games, the SECCG, and two CFP games.  No FCS patsies.  They outscored THAT slate 630-252.  That Ohio State team was pretty good and dominated Clemson in the CFP Semi-Final which was nice (after years of struggles against Clemson) but I just don't think they were on Bama's level. 
Agree.  Wouldn’t have mattered.   But we were snake bit in that game too.   2 starting d-line ruled for Covid, and then our best RB- Sermon- injured and knocked out of the game on like the first play from scrimmage.  
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