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Topic: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread

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Mdot21

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #294 on: September 22, 2025, 04:32:20 PM »
I wasn't being critical. The formula/identity worked. They were pretty much in a tier just below the helmet level in the B1G for damn near 30 years. Other teams spent time in that tier, but none anywhere near that consistently nor for that long.

But what I was saying is that when you have Wisconsin's talent level, that's pretty much the ceiling. You can be competitive with the helmets, but you're not equal to them.

Because you can be hyper-focused on recruiting and winning the battles for the big uglies and the RBs when you have that offensive system, but it's a turn-off for the QBs and the WRs. Whereas the helmets can more easily attract any/all positions.

Rather I was saying that deviating from the system is problematic. It's a state with roughly half the population of Michigan or Ohio or Pennsylvania, the homes of the B1G's helmets. If you don't have a unique identity, what's Wisconsin going to offer recruits that Illinois or Iowa or Nebraska aren't?
well- that's not a bad tier to live in. look at them now. 

I think with NIL/porthole if they had just stuck to that formula they could throw bags at a vet QB or couple WRs in the porthole and get over the hump. Wisconsin has money. They ain't a brokie.

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #295 on: September 22, 2025, 04:35:42 PM »
But what I was saying is that when you have Wisconsin's talent level, that's pretty much the ceiling. You can be competitive with the helmets, but you're not equal to them.
I agree with this. In the right years, with the right combination of factors, the Badgers could win conference titles and go to the Rose Bowl. In the current playoff system, I think that means that in the right years, with the right combination of factors, the Badgers could make it to the Final Four.

And that was where the frustration of Wisconsin fandom in the golden years came from: man, we could be awesome, but even then a 3-9 Michigan, or 6-7 Ohio State could beat us on a stupid broken play where they just had better athletes than we did. But when our coaching staff tried to overcome that, and went after the flashy guys, we just couldn't compete. Alvarez learned that the hard way 2000-2002. But the Badgers did that very successfully--they were the non-Big 2 team to beat in the Big Ten--for, as you say, 29 years. Basically, 1993-2021. There were down years, but there were a lot more up years. (To be clear, Penn State would probably disagree with this argument--my recollection, which is not well informed, is that Penn State has always had a higher ceiling, but particularly as things were falling apart around JoePa, they also took bigger dips. Honestly, that might be because they had to play Michigan and Ohio State more.)

Under the current rules, the Badgers just don't have the money to compete as an elite power; but as a fan, I want to be competitive with them, and I want other teams to fear us.
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #296 on: September 22, 2025, 05:15:05 PM »
1993-2021 Wisconsin records vs. B1G Opponents (this was hand counted, so I could be off one or two games here or there):
Illinois: 20-4-1
Indiana: 16-3
Iowa: 15-10
Michigan: 9-11
Michigan State: 11-8
Minnnesota: 23-6
Nebraska: 9-1
Northwestern: 13-10
Ohio State: 5-16-1
Penn State: 7-11
Purdue: 19-4-1

Bolded because those are our rivalry games. Honestly, I was surprised at the number of wins against Michigan.

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #297 on: September 22, 2025, 05:25:44 PM »
Fox is trying to destroy the Wisconsin program.

Michigan game in two weeks is B1G Noon.

WTF?
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #298 on: September 22, 2025, 05:32:30 PM »
Fox is trying to destroy the Wisconsin program.

Michigan game in two weeks is B1G Noon.

WTF?
call me crazy, but how is this Fox trying to destroy Wisconsin? not following...

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #299 on: September 22, 2025, 05:49:56 PM »
Fox knows that Wisconsin will embarrass itself on a premier national broadcast!

They just got done doing the same thing on a CBS national broadcast.

Wisconsin needs to be hidden on BTN+ or Peacock for the rest of the season.
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #300 on: September 22, 2025, 05:59:55 PM »
Wow, how bad is it when fans are actively wishing for the most inconvenient broadcast times on the least accessible channels?! 😵


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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #301 on: September 22, 2025, 06:07:54 PM »
Kirk got the Hoosier game on Peacock this week
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #302 on: September 22, 2025, 06:46:47 PM »
humiliating wolverine upsets are ratings gold. 


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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #303 on: September 22, 2025, 07:06:23 PM »
Wouldn't that be a daisy.

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #304 on: September 22, 2025, 07:45:53 PM »

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #305 on: September 22, 2025, 07:57:04 PM »
Fox knows that Wisconsin will embarrass itself on a premier national broadcast!

They just got done doing the same thing on a CBS national broadcast.

Wisconsin needs to be hidden on BTN+ or Peacock for the rest of the season.
NBC loves this innocent mix-up as they continue to end up with dogshit games.     They televised M'land at UW.

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #306 on: September 22, 2025, 08:04:56 PM »
in a group text with some childhood friends.     Two are UW alum.   they continuously argue over the means of UW alum.  One guy loves talking about how giant the world of UW alum coast to coast is and that they have the bankroll for X, Y, and Z.   Fickle buyout is drop in bucket.... the other guy says, 'yeah, we have all of these alum, but they are all chintzy, frugal and cheap, easily outspent by peers.'

as a non UW alum but native of WI, i see both sides of it.  yes, some well heeled alum, but WI people love to squirrel their money away.    I generally believe rah rah fans, royally overestimate the school spiritedness of its alum.

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #307 on: September 22, 2025, 08:16:33 PM »
I don’t think Wisconsin has the donor base to keep up with the big boys, but I expect them to be able to afford to be in the next tier.

 

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