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bayareabadger

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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2025, 08:45:52 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 19, 2025, 06:16:03 PM
It has completely eliminated the intensity of regular season games.
Since this started talking about 2005, how did it feel that half that Buckeyes season had no intensity?
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2025, 06:14:10 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 19, 2025, 06:16:03 PM
It has completely eliminated the intensity of regular season games.
I don't think so.  I might agree it has lessened the intensity for a fan from a loss, but I think during or before a game the intensity is about the same.
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2025, 11:51:01 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 20, 2025, 08:45:52 AM
Since this started talking about 2005, how did it feel that half that Buckeyes season had no intensity?
I do get that counter-argument but there were still things to play for.  

When I walked out of Ohio Stadium late at night after the 2005 loss to Texas I thought the Buckeyes had two possibilities that I cared about:
  • There was a VERY slight chance that Texas would lose twice and everything else would fall in line just right and Ohio State could still potentially win an NC.  
  • Ohio State was 0-0 in the league so they obviously had the possibility of a league title to play for.  

Three games later Ohio State lost a heartbreaker at Penn State to drop to 3-2/1-1 and at that point I figured the NC was completely out of reach but even then the league title was still a possibility and the Buckeyes DID end up sharing the league title because PSU lost to a mediocre Michigan team a week after beating Ohio State (HFA matters and hangover games happen).  That ended up being the first of a slew of consecutive B1G titles and that matters to me.  


Ohio State also finished the 2005 season with a bowl win over Notre Dame in Tempe which contributed to them starting 2006 at #1 and staying there all the way until losing the BCSNCG a year later.  Those were things that mattered to me.  
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2025, 11:55:07 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 21, 2025, 06:14:10 AM
I don't think so.  I might agree it has lessened the intensity for a fan from a loss, but I think during or before a game the intensity is about the same.
Not to me.  In the 4-team playoff era and prior EVERY single Ohio State game was HUMONGOUSLY important because any loss, even a random mid-season upset by MSU (1998) or Purdue (multiple years) could knock tOSU out of the NC race.  Now, who cares if the Buckeyes lose to MSU or Purdue in a random mid-season game?  At worst it impacts seeding.  Ohio State isn't going to miss the playoffs without AT LEAST three losses so they basically have two mulligans and my view of the importance of these games has dropped accordingly.  

Similarly, I'll no longer care if Georgia trails Mizzou or is in a dogfight with Kent State late.  In the prior era I'd switch the channel to a close Georgia game because a Georgia loss to Mizzou or Kent might ultimately open up a spot for Ohio State but now, who cares?  
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2025, 02:49:36 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 16, 2025, 06:14:30 AM
The Penn State Squad is for real this year. 
:57: How many times have we heard this?!?
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2025, 02:51:49 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 21, 2025, 06:14:10 AM
I don't think so.  I might agree it has lessened the intensity for a fan from a loss, but I think during or before a game the intensity is about the same.
It's super cool now.
Before, it was VITAL.

Games now, with such a large playoff, are mathematically less intense now.  It's not even an opinion thing.  
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2025, 04:46:28 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 21, 2025, 02:51:49 PM
It's super cool now.
Before, it was VITAL.

Games now, with such a large playoff, are mathematically less intense now.  It's not even an opinion thing. 
I would argue that a small subset of games are less intense, but I think a person could make an argument that because of how stupid hope works there’s more intensity overall.

I understand it’s harder to see if being a helmet fan dominated one’s experience. 
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2025, 04:49:43 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 21, 2025, 04:46:28 PM
I would argue that a small subset of games are less intense, but I think a person could make an argument that because of how stupid hope works there’s more intensity overall.

I understand it’s harder to see if being a helmet fan dominated one’s experience.
Well, there is more interest, from more different fan bases, later into the season, then there was before.

But individual games have less importance, for obvious reasons.  That's not really debatable.

So it's both more interesting, and less interesting, than it used to be.

All clear now?? :)



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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2025, 05:04:52 PM »
you just keep thinking Butch,that's what you're good at
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2025, 05:08:40 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 21, 2025, 04:49:43 PM
Well, there is more interest, from more different fan bases, later into the season, then there was before.

But individual games have less importance, for obvious reasons.  That's not really debatable.

So it's both more interesting, and less interesting, than it used to be.

All clear now?? :)

Certain individual games.

Once Wisconsin lost its first game or Texas lost its second, all the rest didn’t matter at all. at least in terms of gaining weight from being part of the national title race.

and all told, that’s a lot of games.
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2025, 05:11:23 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 21, 2025, 05:08:40 PM
Certain individual games.

Once Wisconsin lost its first game or Texas lost its second, all the rest didn’t matter at all. at least in terms of gaining weight from being part of the national title race.

and all told, that’s a lot of games.
The most important games, are considerably less important now.  For everyone.

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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2025, 05:16:31 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 21, 2025, 04:46:28 PM
I would argue that a small subset of games are less intense, but I think a person could make an argument that because of how stupid hope works there’s more intensity overall.

I understand it’s harder to see if being a helmet fan dominated one’s experience.
This definitely impacts my view.  I remember the NC being more-or-less out of reach consistently by early/mid October back in the mid-to-late 1980s and then a really rough patch (by tOSU standards) of losing at least four games per year for five straight years from 1987-1991 but from my freshman year (1993) through the present, the Buckeyes have been at least on the fringes of the NC race VERY deep into the season almost every year:

  • 1993:  9-0-1 and #5 before a loss to Michigan dropped them out
  • 1994:  second loss was 10/8
  • 1995:  11-0 and #2 before a loss to Michigan dropped them out
  • 1996:  10-0 and #2 before a loss to Michigan dropped them out (John Cooper sucked)
  • 1997:  10-1 and #4 before a loss to Michigan dropped them out
  • 1998:  In the NC race all the way up to CCG weekend (they needed a LOT to go right but almost got it)
  • 1999:  second loss was 10/2
  • 2000:  second loss was 10/28
  • 2001:  second loss was 10/13
  • 2002:  WON NC
  • 2003:  10-1 and #4 before a loss to Michigan dropped them out
  • 2004:  second loss was 10/9
  • 2005:  second loss was 10/8
  • 2006:  In the race to the very end, lost BCSNCG
  • 2007:  In the race to the very end, lost BCSNCG
  • 2008:  second loss was 10/25
  • 2009:  second loss was 10/17
  • 2010:  11-1 and #6 heading into CCG weekend.  In theory the Buckeyes could have made it with a LOT of help.  
  • 2011:  second loss was 10/1
  • 2012:  12-0 but ineligible
  • 2013:  In the race to the end, lost in CFP.  
  • 2014:  WON NC
  • 2015:  In the race until at least the last weekend of the regular season (needed MSU to lose to PSU)
  • 2016:  In the race to the end, lost in CFP.  
  • 2017:  second loss was 11/4
  • 2018:  In the race until CCG weekend (needed a LOT of help)
  • 2019:  In the race to the end, lost in CFP.  
  • 2020:  In the race to the end, lost in CFP.  
  • 2021:  10-1 and #2 before a loss to some cheaters dropped them out.  
  • 2022:  11-0 and #2 before a loss to some cheaters dropped them out.  
  • 2023:  11-0 and #2 before a loss to some cheaters dropped them out.  
  • 2024:  WON NC
In those 32 years, Ohio State has been at least at the fringes of the NC race until at least the last regular season game in 22 of them.  So yeah, I tend to have a NC-centric view.  
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2025, 05:30:28 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 21, 2025, 05:16:31 PM



In those 32 years, Ohio State has been at least at the fringes of the NC race until at least the last regular season game in 22 of them.  So yeah, I tend to have a NC-centric view. 

In those 32 years, my team has been realistically a non-factor in the NC race every year starting before the first kickoff of each season. 

With maybe 2004 being an exception. 
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Re: 2025 OSU Record Prediction
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2025, 05:38:17 PM »
In the past 23 years, my team has been realistically a non-factor in the NC race every year starting before the first kickoff of each season.
(Since the start of the 2002 season)

no exceptions
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