2025 MSU Season Thread

[SuperMario]

Yeah only Michigan and Auburn. Nothing with USC paying players and families. Forget about OsU paying players and trying to retell the story only about gold pants and tattoos. DiGeronimo had nothing to do with paying kids at all. Only two programs have ever crossed the line. Tattoos and good pants like like saying Bernie Madoff only made bad investments. Scream loudest and it must be true.

[Mdot21]

hey I for one applaud Tugger. like the great Bear Bryant once said....

if ya ain't cheating ya ain't tryin'

[medinabuckeye1]

Yeah only Michigan and Auburn. Nothing with USC paying players and families. Forget about OsU paying players and trying to retell the story only about gold pants and tattoos. DiGeronimo had nothing to do with paying kids at all. Only two programs have ever crossed the line. Tattoos and good pants like like saying Bernie Madoff only made bad investments. Scream loudest and it must be true.

The whataboutism is strong with this one but it falls apart upon even a cursory glance. You were on the highest of high horses over tatgate. What our coach did was wrong and The Ohio State University had the integrity to fire a National Championship winning coach for it. There was contrition and acknowledgement of wrongdoing.

The problem with Michigan is that there is no institutional integrity and no contrition from the fans, instead we get this:

hey I for one applaud Tugger. like the great Bear Bryant once said....

if ya ain't cheating ya ain't tryin'

That is the difference. I have to applaud @Mdot21 because at least he is honest enough to admit it. The rest of you can't seem to acknowledge that Stallions was far worse than everything involved in tatgate. It is literally the worst cheating scandal in the modern history of college football and the response from the institution and the fanbase makes it worse.

[SuperMario]

I wasn’t on a high horse. I was appalled at the amount of noses in the air, smug responses of people trying to claim it was as simple as gold pants and tattoos when there was layers and layers deeper to the story. Don’t worry, it’s whataboutism. It’s about OSU and their fans having so much integrity and Michigan and all their fans are low character dirtbags supporting a terrible program with no moral code so their fans must have one either. 

And it all goes back to a simple fact. A university and football program don’t define a fans character and those that claim it does have a flaw in theirs.

[medinabuckeye1]

It’s about OSU and their fans having so much integrity and Michigan and all their fans are low character dirtbags supporting a terrible program with no moral code so their fans must have one either.

Was it that hard to admit this?

[FearlessF]

IMHO, conferences policing their own is never going to be a viable option because they compete with each other and the minute the SEC drops a punishment that is (and it will be) perceived as lenient on a cheater school like Auburn, the B1G will be under immense pressure to be similarly lenient with their own cheater school (Michigan).  Conferences policing their own will inevitably become a race to be the most lenient.  It isn't a viable option. 

fine, that's my point.  The Big Ten Conference is a scumbag -  a money grubbing scumbag
same as the old SWC, the Big 8, the Big 12, the SEC and all the rest.

the big TV money wiped out integrity

[847badgerfan]

Wrong thread.

[MrNubbz]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2025/11/14/michigan-state-ncaa-cheating-michigan-mel-tucker-vacated-wins/87256501007/?tbref=hp

They’re losing their minds in East Lansing about Michigan, which tracks just about how you’d think.Michigan State fans are ticked off, and frankly, have a right to be. But they’re pointing the finger of blame in the wrong direction.

It’s not Michigan or the NCAA or former coach Mel Tucker — it’s on their very own university.

First, the particulars: the NCAA on Wednesday placed Michigan State on probation for jaywalking, nearly three months to the day after allowing Michigan to get away with stone, cold murder.

The Spartans were forced to vacate 14 wins from 2022-24, while the Wolverines were allowed to keep their national title. A blatant protection of the blue blood university, and an obvious takedown of little brother.

But understand this: if Michigan State truly wanted to fight for the vacated wins or the elimination of other recruiting sanctions, it would’ve come out swinging and the NCAA would’ve backed down.

MSU can’t get the same breaks Michigan gets when it cheats. Of course, Michigan will point to its $30 million fine by the NCAA, compared to Michigan State’s $30,000 fine.

But that ridiculous Michigan fine by the NCAA was in exchange for not vacating wins. You know, the penalty the governing body typically uses for infraction cases where players are ineligible — or when schools gain an competitive advantage by cheating.
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WTH, MSU shouldn't have had to fight for it - the NCAA should be doing the right thing in the 1st place.But CFB World found out 1st hand in July you can buy your way out of big  trouble as long as you have Deep Pockets

[medinabuckeye1]

First, the particulars: the NCAA on Wednesday placed Michigan State on probation for jaywalking, nearly three months to the day after allowing Michigan to get away with stone, cold murder.

This!

Note that this isn't from an Ohio State fan, it isn't from an MSU fan, it is a neutral observation from USA Today.

[ELA]

Its not my money, but Im assuming we have a finite amount.  So I was fine with giving him another year. But watching tonight, this program is completely dead.

[Mdot21]

Its not my money, but Im assuming we have a finite amount.  So I was fine with giving him another year. But watching tonight, this program is completely dead.

he's gotta go. just a bad fit. outside looking in at the time of the hire- seemed good- but coaching hires really are crap shoots. just seems like a bad fit all-around, very RichRod to Michigan vibe to it. 

[Temp430]

Its not my money, but Im assuming we have a finite amount.  So I was fine with giving him another year. But watching tonight, this program is completely dead.

Well, Sparty can't cheat if they're dead so I guess that's good.