2025 Michigan Offseason Thread

[MrNubbz]

Interestingly enough, since Moore’s punishment is self-imposed, he can coach early on in the season. He’ll be able to coach against Oklahoma in Week 2, where he played guard during the 2006 and ’07 seasons. Moore was previously suspended along with Harbaugh in 2023 due to self-imposed penalties from the university in a different case.

Good that'll mean he matched his Michigan master in suspensions. Sure it's another nothingburger

[Temp430]

I'm not so sure this self imposed suspension is real.  Only source has been ESPN/Thamel so maybe just hot air.  

[MrNubbz]

[Temp430]

Well any penalties will depend upon the facts which no one outside UofM or the NCAA has heard.  Judging from recent experiences, if there was truly damning evidence against Coach Moore  the NCAA would leaked it already like the Old Faithful geyser.  If Moore deleted text messages but later recovered and gave them to the NCAA, no big deal.

[medinabuckeye1]

Well any penalties will depend upon the facts which no one outside UofM or the NCAA has heard.  Judging from recent experiences, if there was truly damning evidence against Coach Moore  the NCAA would leaked it already like the Old Faithful geyser.  If Moore deleted text messages but later recovered and gave them to the NCAA, no big deal.

Do you actually believe this?

[Mdot21]

Do you actually believe this?

you are obviously a little biased here and obsesssssed with Michigan. 0-4 will do it. I get it. Michigan fans went nuts with Tatgate largely because they’d lost like 7 or 8 in a row to Tressel.

Andy Staples, Dan Wetzel, and the NCAA’s Buttplug Pete Thamel have all spoken at length about Moore’s deleted text messages- they’ve seen them and have said there isn’t much incriminating in them at all. If you’ll recall Moore handed over his phone to the NCAA and the tech nerds they hired to go through his phone recovered ALL of his deleted texts because when you delete text messages from your phone…wait for it… they don’t actually delete. Unless of course your name is Hillary and you use something called BleachBit apparently.

NCAA clearly were vindictive and went hard after Jeem and the coaches that left for the NFL out of spite because none of them were co-operating with the NCAA because none of them have any respect for the absolute pathetic joke of an organization that the NCAA is and all of them are NFL coaches now and don’t really care to get back into the shitshow that is college coaching. 

[medinabuckeye1]

you are obviously a little biased here and obsesssssed with Michigan. 0-4 will do it. I get it. Michigan fans went nuts with Tatgate largely because they’d lost like 7 or 8 in a row to Tressel.

It is comical how you think I'm the biased one.  I specifically avoid fanboy sites on BOTH sides because I know the drill there.  I come here and I look at far-flung neutral sources to check my biases, you should try it:  

Here are a few:

• From SI, "CBS analyst things Michigan deserves multi-year postseason ban for sign-stealing scandal"
  From SI, "CBS analyst things Michigan deserves multi-year postseason ban for sign-stealing scandal".  
• From the same article, quoting a P4 HC "not in the B1G"  "I promise you that coaches still care about this.  This was a major deal, and you can't minimize it.  It's bad for college football.  (Stealing signals) might be more common than you think, but the extremes they went to?  I've never heard of anything like it, and they need to GET THE HAMMER."  (Emphasis added).  
• Tennessee Volunteer fan/journalist youtube site:  Projects a record-setting NCAA fine, multi-year post-season ban, and suggests that they will avoid vacating the 2023 NC* only because the NCAA President painted himself into a corner.  

I don't need to quote a dozen more to make this point:

The outliers here are NOT the Ohio State fans like me, the only outliers here are YOU.  The Michigan "man" community are more-or-less the ONLY people who think that integrity should be irrelevant and that this is a big nothingburger.  

Andy Staples, Dan Wetzel, and the NCAA’s Buttplug Pete Thamel have all spoken at length about Moore’s deleted text messages- they’ve seen them and have said there isn’t much incriminating in them at all. If you’ll recall Moore handed over his phone to the NCAA and the tech nerds they hired to go through his phone recovered ALL of his deleted texts because when you delete text messages from your phone…wait for it… they don’t actually delete. Unless of course your name is Hillary and you use something called BleachBit apparently.

Well any penalties will depend upon the facts which no one outside UofM or the NCAA has heard.  Judging from recent experiences, if there was truly damning evidence against Coach Moore  the NCAA would leaked it already like the Old Faithful geyser.  If Moore deleted text messages but later recovered and gave them to the NCAA, no big deal.

The argument that both of you are making is that if there wasn't anything too terrible in the deleted text messages then deleting them was "no big deal."  

Please take off your Michigan glasses for a minute.  How would you feel if this was Ryan Day?  But let's not go that far, how would you feel if this was a coach of a school you don't feel one-way or the other about?  

Alternatively, try this thought experiment:
Imagine that a criminal defendant committed obstruction of justice by deleting texts with a criminal co-conspirator during an investigation and then offered up the defense that there "wasn't anything too terrible in the deleted text messages."  How do you think that would work out for that criminal?  I'll give you a hint:  

NCAA clearly were vindictive and went hard after Jeem and the coaches that left for the NFL out of spite because none of them were co-operating with the NCAA because none of them have any respect for the absolute pathetic joke of an organization that the NCAA is and all of them are NFL coaches now and don’t really care to get back into the shitshow that is college coaching.

This paragraph is why you simply don't have a leg to stand on when you accuse ME of bias.  This entire paragraph belongs on a Michigan "man" fanboy site but not here where we generally try to have rational conversations.  This is laughable and not believed outside of the no-integrity Michigan "men".  

You think I'm biased and I am but not the way you think.  I've held back because this is a rival.  If this all happened at some other cheater school say Auburn or SMU, I'd be calling for the death penalty because this is nothing less than the most egregious flaunting of the integrity of sports in the modern history of CFB.  Worse, it was done by the institution that already committed what Wikipedia calls "one of the largest incidents involving payments to athletes in American collegiate history."  Notably, wikipedia like SI and a UT-Vol fan site are not Ohio State sites and none of them have any reason to hate on Michigan other than Michigan's total lack of integrity and flaunting of the rules.  

[FearlessF]

“Then there’s this other piece of news that’s stemming from the entire situation at Michigan,” Joel Klatt said. “This news dropping that the University of Michigan president, who’s been the president throughout this entire issue, Santa Ono, is leaving less than three years into his tenure at Ann Arbor for the University of Florida. That’s interesting timing, I would say.”

Part of what makes the timing of the moves interesting to Joel Klatt is that he feels Michigan is the more prestigious job as a school president. That means that there could be other reasons besides the prestige of the job to make that move.

“This is going to sound disparaging. It’s not meant to be disparaging. I think it’s probably just a compliment to the University of Michigan, but when we think about the University of Michigan as a research school, as an academic school, just the prestige of the University of Michigan. As they like to put it, the leaders of the West. Then, you think about the University of Florida. If you didn’t know anything other than just outward looking at those two institutions, what’s the better job? More prestigious job? Again, not meant to be disparaging to Florida. That’s a great school. Great school. It’s not the University of Michigan,” Klatt said.

“So, here, you have a president leaving, and you can only assume, again, this is a total assumption, that all of the issues that they’ve been having, in particular, in the athletic department, are at least part of the decision making for their president leaving to go to Florida.”

The suspension to Sherrone Moore stems from the advanced scouting and sign-stealing scandal within the Michigan football program. At the time, Santa Ono had been supportive of the football program. Michigan received a notice of allegations regarding that in August of 2024, though little has come since then, prompting Klatt to wonder if there could be news on the horizon.

“So, Santa Ono is like, you know what, I’m good. Peace out. Now, maybe he’s just going down for sunshine and no taxes. I don’t know. There’s plenty of those in our country, but I’m not sure if that’s totally this case. Again, the interesting timing of this is they know more than we do. So, now you have Michigan trying to get out in front of a suspension for their head coach Sherrone Moore and the president leaving for a job that we would all at least assume is not quite as prestigious. So, something is coming,” Klatt said.

“And it’s likely very large and could be even financial. So, the Michigan saga is going to be with us for at least a few more months.”

Santa Ono left to become the president of the University of Florida in early May. In his explanation for the move, he pointed toward Florida’s promise and potential. He only briefly mentioned Michigan and did not mention athletics at Michigan.

[Temp430]

No law or NCAA rule against deleting text messages if done before the NCAA requested them.  I'm guessing the two game self suspension was a trial balloon floated by someone outside the NCAA or Michigan.  Comments from the cheap seats by Urban Meyer and all the Buckeye fans are a big clue as to what is driving this.  Doesn't matter what you or I believe, the facts will speak for themselves once known.

As for President Ono's departure, there are bigger issues at play than athletics or the football program.  I understand that for some universities the football program is everything.  That's not the case by a long shot in Ann Arbor.  Just hope that the next president is half as supportive of athletics as Ono was.

[MrNubbz]

you are obviously a little biased here and obsesssssed with Michigan. 0-4 will do it. I get it. Michigan fans went nuts with Tatgate largely because they’d lost like 7 or 8 in a row to Tressel.

I like discussing history so you're a nice change of pace. Oh you left out Urbz/Day for one year going 8-0 before M backed out of the 2020 contest - after getting throttled by 29 the year before. This is hardly being discussed amongst just Buckeye fans. SIX level one violations forget how many level TWO's I know Sherrone seems to wracking up those up. But 4 coaches getting canned in one year and a HC getting suspended for almost half the season isn't unusual? Ohio State's cloud server was hacked - this incident opened an investigation into the Michigan football program.

Maybe Jeem shouldn't have shoved it up the NCAA's arse repeatedly. And Jeem didn't lie,cheat,steal he just gave game balls to those that do. And just silly of him to forget his Team Captains felony gun charge for literally 2 months until the Big Ten CCG in '22

[medinabuckeye1]

No law or NCAA rule against deleting text messages if done before the NCAA requested them.  I'm guessing the two game self suspension was a trial balloon floated by someone outside the NCAA or Michigan.  Comments from the cheap seats by Urban Meyer and all the Buckeye fans are a big clue as to what is driving this.  Doesn't matter what you or I believe, the facts will speak for themselves once known.

LoL, destruction of evidence during an investigation isn't a big deal huh?  Only a Michigan "man" could think that. 

As for President Ono's departure, there are bigger issues at play than athletics or the football program.

Actual video of Ono's departure from the cesspool in Ann Arbor:

https://youtu.be/7FPELc1wEvk?si=5EOAtTbOdwiLQoJo

I understand that for some universities the football program is everything.  That's not the case by a long shot in Ann Arbor. 

Then why did they sacrifice their institutional integrity to:

• Fail to assert institutional control over a flagrantly cheating HC (Jeem)?
• Actually promote an assistant coach who was already known to them to have obstructed an NCAA investigation to HC? 

I'll sit back while you try to spin that one . . .

[Riffraft]

No law or NCAA rule against deleting text messages if done before the NCAA requested them.  I'm guessing the two game self suspension was a trial balloon floated by someone outside the NCAA or Michigan.  Comments from the cheap seats by Urban Meyer and all the Buckeye fans are a big clue as to what is driving this.  Doesn't matter what you or I believe, the facts will speak for themselves once known.

As for President Ono's departure, there are bigger issues at play than athletics or the football program.  I understand that for some universities the football program is everything.  That's not the case by a long shot in Ann Arbor.  Just hope that the next president is half as supportive of athletics as Ono was.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt