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Topic: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread

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bayareabadger

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1652 on: April 06, 2026, 09:55:54 PM »
Entertaining to this point. Michigan probably cans some 3s soon, pulls away. 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1653 on: Today at 11:30:44 AM »
Admittedly, what I read from @medinabuckeye1 is also something else... It's that seed lines 1-4 largely get a glorified bye by taking on teams that legitimately shouldn't even threaten them. He'd rather see teams 1-16 in the seed lines play teams 49-64 in NET or whatever "power ranking" we choose than see them play teams that might be 100-250+. He views those as more compelling matchups to watch than the top 16 beating up on patsies.

(medina, hopefully I'm not misrepresenting you)
This is a big part of it for me and it is why I hope that any expansion involves making the truly awful 'tallest midgets' play an extra game to get to the 64 team field.  With 41 tournaments since expansion now in the books, here are the figures:
  • #16 seeds have 2 wins in 164 tries ~ once every 20 years.  
  • #15 seeds are 11-153 ~ once every four years.  
  • #14 seeds are 23-141 ~ once every other year.  
  • #13 seeds are 33-131, less than once per year.  

Also, as discussed above, the #13+ seeds appear to be getting worse relative to the top-4.  They are 0-32 in the last two tournaments and only 2-46 in the first round of the last three tournaments.  

The performance of the #13+ seeds is plummeting and as it does the matchups unavoidably become less compelling.  


I honestly don't care about the play-in games and if my team had to play one I'd only barely see it as a 'real' NCAAT game.  To me, the 'real' NCAAT is the 64 team field that starts AFTER the play-in games.  I want THAT to be as good as it can be and the improvement that could be had with expansion is to weed-out the worst teams by putting them into a play-in game.  

And truth is, he's not wrong... But as you point out, it's a preference. Just as some people would prefer the tournament being the top 64 teams, others like the "Cinderella story". Both sides should understand that it's not black/white or right/wrong... It's preference.
The tournament has always been a mix of the best teams and charity bids for 'Cinderella story' tallest midgets.  There are currently 31 auto-bids and 37 at-large slots.  Obviously some of the 31 auto-bids are among the best teams so they do double-duty.  This year:
  • One of the six #11 seeds was an auto-bid (USF).  The other five (VCU, Texas, NCST, SMU, Miami) were at-large.  
  • The 20 teams seeded #12 and below were all auto-bids.  

The #12 seeds were, as usual, decent teams.  They are still 'tallest midgets' but they are the very tallest of the tallest midgets and reasonably competitive:
  • Akron:  #54 NET, 70 KenPom, 72 Torvik
  • McNeese:  #56 NET, 85 KenPom, 67 Torvik
  • Northern Iowa:  #72 NET, 76 KenPom, 77 Torvik
  • High Point:  #75 NET, 85 KenPom, 86 Torvik

Those aren't as good as the best teams left out but they aren't awful.  They went 1-3 in the opening round this year and, on average, they upset a #5 seed little better than 1/3 of the time.  

From there the drop-off is precipitous.  By the time you get to the #15 and #16 seeds they are flat awful.  This year's six #16 seeds were:
  • Siena:  #183 NET, 
  • UMBC:  #196 NET, 
  • Long Island:  #198 NET, 
  • Howard:  #203 NET, 
  • Lehigh:  #275 Lehigh
  • Prairie View:  #300 NET, 
I'm not going to bother to look up KenPom and Torvik for these teams, they suck and KenPom/Torvik would just confirm that.  


The tournament is changing.  Like it or not, NIL is widening the gap between the haves (top-4 seeds) and the have-nots (#13+ seeds).  The gap is getting wider because the best teams are getting better AND the teams at the bottom are getting worse.  Every time a power program poaches a player from a weaker league the future top seeds get better AND the future bottom seeds get worse.  

I do think the reality of the situation will ultimately impact viewership.  As I see it, people only get interested when there is something like a 1/3 chance of an upset.  I base that not on personal opinion but on the observation that it seems everyone talks about potential 5/12 upsets but almost nobody talks about 4/13, 3/14, 2/15, or 1/16 upsets.  The data (see above) shows that the talked about 5/12 upsets happen about 1/3 of the time while the 4/13 upsets happen about 1/5 of the time and the 3/14, 2/15, and 1/16 even less.  

I think that there is a floor for interest and I think that floor is around 1/3.  Ie, there is interest in 5/12 because upsets happen about 1/3 of the time but there isn't much interest in 4/13 and below because upsets are below the floor.  

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1654 on: Today at 12:37:11 PM »
Just saw that Michigan won.

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« Reply #1655 on: Today at 12:42:12 PM »
Just saw that Michigan won.

GO BLUE!!

Every starter on the "Michigan" roster was a transfer. Very high payroll.

Whatever.
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1656 on: Today at 12:44:44 PM »
Every starter on the "Michigan" roster was a transfer. Very high payroll.

Whatever.
College sports in 2026.  You certainly don't have to like college sports anymore.  Lots of people don't nowadays.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1657 on: Today at 12:46:51 PM »
I lose more interest by the day buddy. 

I'm liking pro sports more and more. At least they stick around for 3-5 years.
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1658 on: Today at 12:51:40 PM »
I lose more interest by the day buddy.

I'm liking pro sports more and more. At least they stick around for 3-5 years.
I actively loathe the NBA and have zero interest in MLB.  I'm still okay with the NFL but I watch about 10% of it compared to what I did 20 years ago.

There could come a time when I don't care about any sports at all, at any level.  And it'd be fine.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1659 on: Today at 12:53:15 PM »
The reasons I never understood why people could care about a pro team are now 10x worse in college sports.

Go laundry!

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1660 on: Today at 12:53:19 PM »
Michigan pulled off what Jerome Tang tried for 3 years at K-State.  A starting lineup of 5 guys poached from other teams via the transfer portal.

Takes a good coach to get guys like that to gel and play together.  

In this case, the coach that led Florida Atlantic to a win over Tang's first team in the Elite 8.

Just wonder about anybody keeping a consistent level of success when every freakin' year is a completely new team.  I guess the fans of the school are still going to buy in to good teams, but in Manhattan--all these guys are transferring out, to a collective yawn.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1661 on: Today at 01:10:08 PM »
Guess I should have heeded the warning and reviewed the 4 new posts since I started typing the last one.  

Seems there is some consensus.

Yawn.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1662 on: Today at 01:21:21 PM »
I actively loathe the NBA and have zero interest in MLB.  I'm still okay with the NFL but I watch about 10% of it compared to what I did 20 years ago.

There could come a time when I don't care about any sports at all, at any level.  And it'd be fine.
F the NBA. That whole league can pound sand.

Bears and Blackhawks I'll watch, and when the Sox get their new owner, I'll watch.

Tampa teams are growing on me. Championships help with that.
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1663 on: Today at 01:29:43 PM »
I enjoy watching hockey live quite a bit.  Don't really like watching it on TV.

Oh, I do like professional soccer, especially the EPL.  I guess it's because as long as I've been alive, soccer teams have always embraced their commercialism, so it's not so bothersome to me.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1664 on: Today at 01:31:31 PM »
Just saw that Michigan won.

GO BLUE!!

Ewww

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1665 on: Today at 02:54:04 PM »
The reasons I never understood why people could care about a pro team are now 10x worse in college sports.

Go laundry!
This.  

I don't want this to come off as an anti-Michigan rant because it isn't.  The new rules are the new rules and Michigan did a better job than anybody else of building a team under the new rules but this is nothing like the college teams that I cared about even just 5-10 years ago.  

The last time Ohio State went to the F4 their starters were:
  • Jared Sullinger a sophomore in his second year at tOSU with NO PRIOR colleges from Columbus, Ohio.  
  • Deshaun Thomas a sophomore in his second year at tOSU with NO PRIOR colleges from Fort Wayne, Indiana.  
  • Aaron Craft a sophomore in his second year at tOSU with NO PRIOR colleges  from Findlay, Ohio.  
  • William Buford a Senior in his fourth year at tOSU with NO PRIOR colleges from Toledo, Ohio.  
  • Lenzelle Smith Jr a sophomore in his second year at tOSU with NO PRIOR colleges from Zion, Illinois.  

Three of the five were from the state and all five played ALL of their college ball at Ohio State.  That 'felt like' an Ohio State team.  The teams today (not just Michigan) 'feel like' a bunch of mercenaries slapped together for a one-year run.  


I keep waiting for one of these guys to slip up in the postgame interviews and name their prior school.  Ie:  "We really wanted to come together and win this for (prior school name instead of current school name)".  I think that will be hilarious when it happens.  

 

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