2024 Recruiting Thread

[Mdot21]

My issue with this is... How is this NIL and not just an end around pay-for-play? Instead of boosters and bagmen you have boosters and a "collective"...

Isn't something being done directly by the school still violating NCAA rules?

yes, schools can't have anything to do with NIL directly.

I should've wrote "school collectives/boosters". Miami, A&M, and Oregon collectives/boosters aren't shy about buying HS recruits. And it hasn't really been working for them...

[847badgerfan]

yes, schools can't have anything to do with NIL directly.

I should've wrote "school collectives/boosters". Miami, A&M, and Oregon collectives/boosters aren't shy about buying HS recruits. And it hasn't really been working for them...

Wink wink.

[utee94]

My issue with this is... How is this NIL and not just an end around pay-for-play? Instead of boosters and bagmen you have boosters and a "collective"...

Isn't something being done directly by the school still violating NCAA rules?

1) NCAA rules are superseded by state laws, and state laws allow more leeway in many states
2) Yes something being done directly by the school still violates most state laws, so that's not the way it is being set up.  An individual corporate entity, or a collective, lets the recruit know that "RBs at Oregon are currently making $150,000 per year and that's probably the kind of money you can expect." 
3) Yes it's all an end-around, but how else can you do it?  For scores of years, NCAA athletes have had their basic American rights denied them, rights that every other NON-athlete student has always had.  Such exceptions were and are illegal, and ultimately the states decided to break the paradigm.

[Mdot21]

Jeem calling for revenue sharing with the athletes. been saying that forever. when you got coaches being paid $10 mil a year....billion dollar tv contracts....players bring in all the gd money....let 'em eat a little bit too.

can definitely see why NCAA don't like Jeem. He was one of the very first coaches hooting and hollering about a transfer portal, extremely pro-NIL, changing redshirt rules, overhauling draft eligibility rules. Very vocal about taking players on summer trips to Europe and South Africa, having satellite HS camps all over the US (which NCAA put a stop to). Jeem is 10000% pro player and anti-NCAA. that's why they out for his ass.


https://twitter.com/ByAZuniga/status/1696194730424512512?s=20

[847badgerfan]

Sometimes it seems like the officials think we are all there to see THEM.

[FearlessF]

Prime knows fer sure that everyone is there to see him

[betarhoalphadelta]

3) Yes it's all an end-around, but how else can you do it?  For scores of years, NCAA athletes have had their basic American rights denied them, rights that every other NON-athlete student has always had.  Such exceptions were and are illegal, and ultimately the states decided to break the paradigm.

I get you. 

I have no issue with an athlete profiting from their NIL. If Dr Pepper wants to put DJ in commercials, good for DJ. If the local Ford dealership in Stillwater wants to pay an Oklahoma State star to appear in their print, radio, or TV ads, good for that athlete. 

But we were trying to avoid pay-for-play. And this is undoubtedly pay-for-play. 

I realize that it's really hard to police whether an athlete is actually profiting off NIL vs simply being given money for being an athlete at a certain school. 

But these collectives sound like the local Ford dealership in Stillwater giving the OkSU star a job for 20 hours a week... That he doesn't actually ever have to show up for. Which was the old end-around for college athletes, right?

[utee94]

I get you.

I have no issue with an athlete profiting from their NIL. If Dr Pepper wants to put DJ in commercials, good for DJ. If the local Ford dealership in Stillwater wants to pay an Oklahoma State star to appear in their print, radio, or TV ads, good for that athlete.

But we were trying to avoid pay-for-play. And this is undoubtedly pay-for-play.

I realize that it's really hard to police whether an athlete is actually profiting off NIL vs simply being given money for being an athlete at a certain school.

But these collectives sound like the local Ford dealership in Stillwater giving the OkSU star a job for 20 hours a week... That he doesn't actually ever have to show up for. Which was the old end-around for college athletes, right?

Sure.  Time is a flat circle.  What's old is new again.  Etc.

I really just don't see any way around it.  There's no real way to determine intent.

Now, the one thing that has definitely been made against the rules, are the school's athletics foundations also serving as NIL providers.  That one's a pretty clear break and the NCAA came out as soon as they started hearing about it, and notified several universities that they were about to be under investigation. I know for certain that Texas A&M immediately ceased and desisted, I don't know for sure what happened to the other potential violators.

So, there's SOME rule enforcement.  It's just not going to be nearly enough.

[Mdot21]

Sure.  Time is a flat circle.  What's old is new again.  Etc.

I really just don't see any way around it.  There's no real way to determine intent.

Now, the one thing that has definitely been made against the rules, are the school's athletics foundations also serving as NIL providers.  That one's a pretty clear break and the NCAA came out as soon as they started hearing about it, and notified several universities that they were about to be under investigation. I know for certain that Texas A&M immediately ceased and desisted, I don't know for sure what happened to the other potential violators.

So, there's SOME rule enforcement.  It's just not going to be nearly enough.

it's just gonna keep on changing. the money is just so insane now. it's a completely different world than it was 20 or 30 years ago. when coaches are making $10+ million a year, helmet schools are doing $200+ million in annual football revenues and conferences have $7 BILLION tv deals....kinda hard to justify not paying players.

NIL deals will still be important in the future for the top level stars, but won't be as important for most players bc sooner or later- and it's coming sooner rather than later- the NCAA will effectively be dead and there will be revenue sharing with players in the new 2-conference B1G24+SEC24 super league in which the super league will enforce salary caps and scholarship limits. No need for 85 players on scholly, spread the wealth, create more parity. Parity = better for tv ratings. better tv ratings = more money. Pay the players- but everyone has to pay them the same under a strict cap otherwise you run the risk of the richest schools just nabbing everyone up. that is where this thing is headed, like it or not.

[MrNubbz]

Prime knows fer sure that everyone is there to see him

Maybe see him off in a few

[Mdot21]

hey who knew, actually playing, you know, actual football in actual games is actually more important than looking great in t-shirts and shorts vs air in a summer camp...

Having said that, Jadyn Davis probably never starts at Michigan IF Jeem actually does his f**king job and keeps Bryce Underwood home in 2025. OR if Jeem decides to bolt off to the NFL at the 11th hr....then Michigan is probably gonna lose both QBs to other schools and suck all over again like RichRod/Hoke.


https://twitter.com/BBsBigHouse1/status/1698427493105975498?s=20

[Mdot21]

Jeem has been 'crootin' this EDGE Brian Robinson- a 4* top 150 overall 'croot from Ohio- and these other two jokers in the pic with him are EDGE and DT 'croots, brothers, and 4* top 250 overall 'croots that are Michigan commits that went on a visit to Kentucky with this Robinson fellow this past weekend. Jeem might actually win the B1G three years in a row, make the playoff three years in a row, and then lose these fcking kids to motherfcking Kentucky. Hey Michigan is winning conference titles and going to the playoffs a lot and putting DLs in the NFL draft a lot lately....hey you know what, let me go to KENTUCKY. 

Yeah, can't say I blame him for bolting to the NFL if it happens. I wouldn't want to recruit a bunch of retarded 16-18 year olds year round. FCK. THAT.


https://twitter.com/BRob_2323/status/1698342949086527600?s=20

[MrNubbz]

Prime knows fer sure that everyone is there to see him

Specially Jesus

[MrNubbz]

Hey Michigan is winning conference titles and going to the playoffs a lot and putting DLs in the NFL draft a lot lately....hey you know what, let me go to KENTUCKY.

Perhaps he thought JEEM might take liberties with the sleep over or maybe he wants to stay home.Or maybe he saw Rashan Gary's Wonderlic score ¯\_(ツ)_/¯