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Topic: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #826 on: February 18, 2025, 09:17:33 AM »
Lets talk B1G Championship and BTT:

All teams have played 14-16 games and thus all have 4-6 remaining.  

Even though Michigan is in first, this discussion needs to start with MSU because of their schedule.  It appears that they didn't make the appropriate sacrifices to the schedule gods because their current stretch is BRUTAL:

  • They started this month on a West coast road swing with a loss at USC (2/1) then
  • A loss at 6th place UCLA (2/4)
  • Last Tuesday (2/13) they played a Hoosier squad that was absolutely desperate not to see Izzo break Knight's record against them.  
  • Sat (2/15) they visited seventh place Illinois
  • Tonight (2/18) they host third place Purdue
  • Friday (2/21) they visit 1st place Michigan
  • next Wednesday (2/26) they visit 5th place Maryland 
When they finish that it doesn't get much easier.  They finish with vs UW, at IA, and vs M.  

Mathematically:
Michigan (12-2) and Michigan State (11-3) still have two games against each other so mathematically at least one of them will finish at least 13-7.  Thus, all teams with eight or more losses are eliminated and the best that the 9-7 Illini could do would be a tie.  The mathematical contenders:
  • 12-2 Michigan:  vMSU, @UNL, vRU, vIL, vUMD, @MSU 
  • 11-3 Michigan State:  vPU, @M, @UMD, vUW, @IA, vM
  • 11-4 Purdue:  @MSU, @IU, vUCLA, vRU, @IL
  • 10-4 Wisconsin:  vIL, vOre, vUdub, @MSU, @MN, vPSU
  • 10-5 Maryland:  vUSC, vMSU, @PSU, @M, vNU
  • 10-5 UCLA:  vMN, vtOSU, @PU, @NU, vUSC
  • 9-7 Illinois:  @UW, vDook-OOC, vIA, @M, vPU


Realistically, Illinois is out while UMD and UCLA need a LOT of help.  They would need to win out AND for the Wolverines to finish no better than 3-3.  

Purdue and Wisconsin are in a bit better shape since they only need two Michigan losses but they are also both playing in East Lansing and neither of them get a shot at Michigan themselves (Purdue split a H&H, UW lost at home in their only meeting).  

Michigan State obviously controls their own destiny but, as noted above, they are finishing the season on a brutally difficult stretch.  

What about the first place Wolverines.  As I see it, their schedule is interesting.  The season finale in East Lansing is really the only game they "should" lose but the visit from Rutgers is really the only thing resembling a "gimmie".  Other than those two, they have four games that they probably *SHOULD* win but not easily.  If I had to guess right now I'd go 4-2 or 5-1 to finish 17-3 or 16-4.  

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #827 on: February 18, 2025, 09:26:00 AM »
Cut lines for BTT:

The top-4 get a double-bye into Friday's games.  Right now Wisconsin (10-4) has the last double-bye but it is VERY close as they are only 1/2 game behind Purdue (11-4) and 1/2 game ahead of Maryland (10-5) and UCLA (10-5).  

The next five (#5-9) do not have to play on Wednesday and start their BTT on Thursday.  Right now 9th place is the middle of the three-way tie between Nebraska, Oregon, and Ohio State all at 7-8 and tied for 8th/9th/10th.  If the BTT started today, two of them would play each other on Thursday while the other would play #15 on Wednesday.  

This cut-line is even messier than that though.  In addition to the three teams tied for 8/9/10, there is another team with eight losses (USC at 6-8) plus Illinois with 7 losses, three teams with 9 losses each, and two teams with 10 losses each.  

The next six (#10-15) get INTO the B1G Tournament.  For the first time not all teams qualify so the bottom three will be left out.  Right now Rutgers is 15th at 5-10 but they are only 1/2 game behind MN and IA (both 5-9) and 1/2 game ahead of Udub (4-10) so this one is also very much in flux.  

It looks like the top-4 will get sorted out fairly soon but those other two cut-lines will likely come down to the final weekend.  

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #828 on: February 18, 2025, 09:35:32 AM »
Cut lines for BTT:
The next five (#5-9) do not have to play on Wednesday and start their BTT on Thursday.  Right now 9th place is the middle of the three-way tie between Nebraska, Oregon, and Ohio State all at 7-8 and tied for 8th/9th/10th.  If the BTT started today, two of them would play each other on Thursday while the other would play #15 on Wednesday. 
FWIW:
If the season ended today, I would prefer for my Buckeyes to LOSE this tie.  Here is the path for the two winners:
  • each other on Thursday.  This would obviously be a difficult game, then
  • #1 Michigan on Friday, then
  • #4 Wisconsin or #5 Maryland or #12 Indiana or #13 MN/IA on Saturday
Here is the path for the loser:
  • #15 Rutgers on Wednesday.  They would be heavy favorites over the Scarlet Knights.  
  • #7 Illinois on Thursday.  This would be a tough but winnable game.  
  • #2 Michigan State on Friday.  
  • #3 Purdue or #6 UCLA or #11 USC or #14 MN/IA on Saturday


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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #829 on: February 18, 2025, 10:30:19 AM »
Big one in Madison tonight. 

It feels like Illinois will get its mojo back at some point. If that could wait a game, I’d appreciate it. 

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #830 on: February 18, 2025, 10:31:49 AM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #831 on: February 18, 2025, 01:35:27 PM »
Massey Composite Rankings - 50 computers (last week in parentheses)

  • Auburn (1)
  • Duke (2)
  • Florida (4)
  • Alabama (3)
  • Houston (6)
  • Tennessee (5)
  • Iowa State (8)
  • WISCONSIN (12)
  • PURDUE (7)
  • Texas A&M (11)
  • Texas Tech (14)
  • MICHIGAN (16)
  • St. John's (9)
  • MARYLAND (20)
  • MICHIGAN STATE (13)
  • Missouri (22)
  • Arizona (10)
  • Kentucky (18)
  • Kansas (15)
  • Ole Miss (17)
  • Louisville (-)
  • Clemson (-)
  • Gonzaga (25)
  • ILLINOIS (19)
  • Marquette (21)



  • 27. UCLA (23)
  • 33. Oregon (35)
  • 34. Ohio State (33)
  • 39. Nebraska (38)
  • 53. Indiana (55)
  • 59. USC (58)
  • 64. Iowa (67)
  • 68. Northwestern (65)
  • 78. Rutgers (68)
  • 82. Penn State (70)
  • 85. Minnesota (91)
  • 92. Washington (90)


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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #832 on: February 18, 2025, 05:29:57 PM »
Interesting games tonight.  The Purdue/MSU game basically determines which will be Michigan's main competition down the stretch.  

Illinois is in a weird spot.  They have played more league games than any other team.  This is a scheduling issue because after tonight they take a week off from league games to pay Dook at MSG in NYC.  Right now they have about as many wins as the teams in front of them but more losses and about as many losses as the teams behind them but more wins.  If they win then UW/UMD/UCLA may fall back to them on their week off.  If they lose then UNL/Ore/tOSU/USC may catch up to them on their week off.  

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #833 on: February 18, 2025, 06:49:24 PM »
Purdue should play zone the whole game.  They cannot defend 2s, MSU kills everyone at 2s


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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #834 on: February 18, 2025, 06:56:31 PM »
Interesting games tonight.  The Purdue/MSU game basically determines which will be Michigan's main competition down the stretch. 

Illinois is in a weird spot.  They have played more league games than any other team.  This is a scheduling issue because after tonight they take a week off from league games to pay Dook at MSG in NYC.  Right now they have about as many wins as the teams in front of them but more losses and about as many losses as the teams behind them but more wins.  If they win then UW/UMD/UCLA may fall back to them on their week off.  If they lose then UNL/Ore/tOSU/USC may catch up to them on their week off. 
As I pointed out, their starting 4, who is #2 on the team in rebounds and #1 in blocks, broke his wrist.  And they still have Purdue, Wisconsin and Michigan left.  As a fan of a team who would like those teams to lose I hate it, because I can't imagine Illinois beating any of those 4 teams with 6 guys, but there is a great chance they lose 4 more games because they are already thin.

Torvik says even if they lost those 4 games, they'd be the top 7 seed, at 18-13.  This is where I hate the predictive metrics when it comes to selection.  They would have 3 Top 40 wins, all home/neutral.  One Top 60 road win, on January 2 at Oregon

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #835 on: February 18, 2025, 08:20:41 PM »
I was driving home from the gym, but doesn't seem like they're playing zone. 

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #836 on: February 18, 2025, 10:49:25 PM »
I am not one to complain about winning games between ranked teams, but that game was a tough watch, and honestly I cant imagine anyone logging on to Peacock to watch a regular season basketball game?

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #837 on: February 18, 2025, 10:52:29 PM »
Odd game in Madison.

Badgers missed some chances early, had some bad errors, just kept making timely shots. Illinois seems sloppy and disjointed, and the point guard didn't do much. But the Illini had a knack of hitting key baskets to keep in contact into the second half. But Tonje just kept hitting dumb shots and UW eventually pulled away. 

Badgers have three home games where they project to be big favorites, plus trips to MSU and Minnesota. Probably can't fight their way into the conference title race, but can gun for 2nd if they avoid a dumb loss.
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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #838 on: February 18, 2025, 11:22:45 PM »
Normally I root for what helps MSU, but man, rooting against Bradley is just so fun

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #839 on: February 18, 2025, 11:29:47 PM »
Normally I root for what helps MSU, but man, rooting against Bradley is just so fun
If you guys could knock Michigan around some, would appreciate. 

 

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