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Topic: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal

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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #560 on: December 21, 2022, 06:00:31 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 21, 2022, 05:57:21 PM
just seen his comments, and holy crap what a dork. didn't he literally just flip a 4* QB that had been committed to Washington forever like less than a week ago? Dude worked for Urbs for years. Urbs never met a recruit he couldn't flip, Urbs was the master at it.



https://twitter.com/GriffinStrom3/status/1605618766724767744?s=20&t=8FCTGezSalodwUEhUupKRg
Dork?  Right on the money with that comment.   
no where does he say that he does not do that. He’s just pointing out that that’s the way of the world now and Ohio State has dabbled in it but will now focus on it.

Who beat him in recruiting?   Alabama.  That’s it. 
Any additional needs can be filled from the portal.  
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #561 on: December 21, 2022, 06:56:57 PM »
That UofM is killing it in......unfortunately
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #562 on: December 21, 2022, 07:43:56 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 21, 2022, 06:56:57 PM
That UofM is killing it in......unfortunately
I wouldn’t assume that.   
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #563 on: December 22, 2022, 06:07:06 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 21, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
IF he gets processed at Bama. If the kid can really play, Saban will bend over backwards to keep him there and happy.
I trust 5* linemen much less than I used to.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #564 on: December 22, 2022, 07:15:14 AM »
I'm now predicting UW gets this kid back on the train.

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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #565 on: December 22, 2022, 07:22:41 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 21, 2022, 07:43:56 PM
I wouldn’t assume that. 
https://www.yahoo.com/now/michigan-football-transfer-portal-player-172927955.html

Not assuming I looked some of the players up and looked to be solid.They'll be immediate contributors as the recruits develop
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #566 on: December 22, 2022, 08:03:42 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 22, 2022, 07:22:41 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/now/michigan-football-transfer-portal-player-172927955.html

Not assuming I looked some of the players up and looked to be solid.They'll be immediate contributors as the recruits develop
Imagine the locker room for guys who committed and spent 2-3 working their ass off, only to be passed up on the depth chart by someone who transfers in from another school or some graduate transfer.  It will not sit well. 

and remember the main reason you have to hit the portal so hard is because you did not recruit well.

I have already read quotes from two recruits and their parents who picked Ohio State Specifically because they don’t engage too heavily in the transfer portal.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #567 on: December 22, 2022, 08:09:42 AM »
Also, recognize Michigan’s highest rated recruit would be OSU’s 8th highest recruit. 

Lastly- if you look at the schools like Auburn, Miami and Oregon who signed recruit with humongous  upfront cash payments, how do you think that will sit in those locker rooms? When Jimmy thinks he should’ve got as much money as Joe, that will be toxic.

I guess it depends on your philosophy or maybe it’s a pick your poison scenario. I still would like to see high-level recruiting, player development, with a little bit of transfer portal mixed in as the most solid longer-term strategy.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #568 on: December 22, 2022, 08:19:31 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 22, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Imagine the locker room for guys who committed and spent 2-3 working their ass off, only to be passed up on the depth chart by someone who transfers in from another school or some graduate transfer.  It will not sit well. 

and remember the main reason you have to hit the portal so hard is because you did not recruit well.

I have already read quotes from two recruits and their parents who picked Ohio State Specifically because they don’t engage too heavily in the transfer portal.
Not necessarily anymore it "Roster Management" recruiting,portal,NIL.There will be holes and that's what it is designed to fill immediate needs. You or I would have taken UofMs AA Center in a heart beat
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #569 on: December 22, 2022, 08:46:03 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 22, 2022, 08:19:31 AM
Not necessarily anymore it "Roster Management" recruiting,portal,NIL.There will be holes and that's what it is designed to fill immediate needs. You or I would have taken UofMs AA Center in a heart beat
Of course.  And when OSU got Jonah Jackson as as a graduate transfer, who started every game at tackle, and then got drafted- anyone would have loved that too.  Or Trey Sermon, or Chip Trayunum.  

That’s my point.  Dabbling in the portal for the occasional player has been extremely successful for OSU- and UM.   
 Going in to the portal heavy versus super strong recruiting- in my opinion- is not a good long term strategy.   That is what UM did this cycle. They had to. OSU doesn’t. 
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #570 on: December 22, 2022, 09:34:34 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 22, 2022, 08:09:42 AM
Also, recognize Michigan’s highest rated recruit would be OSU’s 8th highest recruit.
You could have said the same thing about Michigan's 2018 class vs OSU's 2018 class. Aidan Hutchinson was Michigan's highest rated recruit that cycle and would've been the FOURTEENTH highest rated rated player in OSU's 2018 class.

And yet that was the class which laid the foundation for the complete turnaround at Michigan and was the backbone of the smackdowns Michigan has given Ohio State two years in a row. Not one of those 13 guys rated higher than Hutch in OSU's class was remotely the player that Hutchinson became.

I honestly think Michigan/Harbs has changed their approach. They were going after top 5-10 classes early on and were getting them yearly and it just was not working. I think they've changed their approach to find kids that are a better fit for the type of hard nosed tough culture they want that will buy in and are hard workers. A lot of times the 5*'s and the top 100s just ain't that. Lot of them are baby sh*t soft entitled candy asses bc they've been told how awesome they are their entire HS careers.

The 'crootin rankings aren't the end all be all my dude. They obviously matter but they are more or less just a guideline. 
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #571 on: December 22, 2022, 10:20:32 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 22, 2022, 09:34:34 AM
You could have said the same thing about Michigan's 2018 class vs OSU's 2018 class. Aidan Hutchinson was Michigan's highest rated recruit that cycle and would've been the FOURTEENTH highest rated rated player in OSU's 2018 class.

And yet that was the class which laid the foundation for the complete turnaround at Michigan and was the backbone of the smackdowns Michigan has given Ohio State two years in a row. Not one of those 13 guys rated higher than Hutch in OSU's class was remotely the player that Hutchinson became.

I honestly think Michigan/Harbs has changed their approach. They were going after top 5-10 classes early on and were getting them yearly and it just was not working. I think they've changed their approach to find kids that are a better fit for the type of hard nosed tough culture they want that will buy in and are hard workers. A lot of times the 5*'s and the top 100s just ain't that. Lot of them are baby sh*t soft entitled candy asses bc they've been told how awesome they are their entire HS careers.

The 'crootin rankings aren't the end all be all my dude. They obviously matter but they are more or less just a guideline. 
No argument. The college football landscape is littered with stories of two and three star athletes who turned into superstars and four and five star athletes who didn’t pan out at all.

my point is a counter to those who are all up in arms because Ohio State didn’t get all the guys they were going after and has not dove deep into the transfer portal yet. They completely forget the great players who are already on the roster from the last year or two of recruiting, and the fact that the transfer portal is still open and signing day officially isn’t until February. My point overall is that Ohio State did extremely well on the recruiting trail again and is in great position.

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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #572 on: December 22, 2022, 10:53:34 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2022, 07:15:14 AM
I'm now predicting UW gets this kid back on the train.


sounds like Michigan is recruiting a 4* Stanford DL commit who hasn't signed and the kid is visting in January. Last DL spot is whoever jumps at it first- that kid or Jamel Howard. 

Howard is criminally underrated as a 3*, 1,167 ranked kid. Sometimes I think these 'crootin services just overlook the midwest completely. Howard is gigantic but he can actually really move. He's not some big lumbering slow kid. At all. He's going to be a beast if he buys in and works to reshape his body at a high level S&C college program. I'd much rather have him than the 4* Stanford commit from California. By far. 
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« Reply #573 on: December 22, 2022, 10:57:33 AM »
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