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Topic: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal

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Mdot21

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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #434 on: December 15, 2022, 11:26:19 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 15, 2022, 11:19:07 AM
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Oh they're still winning. They just can't seem to beat one team in particular these last couple years. :)
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #435 on: December 15, 2022, 11:35:07 AM »
We used to feel bad for Michigan (OK, not really).
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #436 on: December 15, 2022, 11:47:00 AM »
so sounds like Michigan isn't out of this one after all....even though he just ditched their visit to go hang out with Coach Prime in Boulder. 

No idea how good of a football player he is, but Coleman is 6'5, 200 and runs 10.4's in the 100m. Freak athlete. Sounds like he wants to play offense but might have higher upside on defense.


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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #437 on: December 15, 2022, 01:32:01 PM »
sounds like 5* QB Dante Moore is on the verge of flipping from Oregon to....UCLA. Kind of crazy to me that '23 and '24 the state of Michigan produced 5* QB's and neither one is going to one of the in-state schools. CJ Carr going to ND. Bryce Underwood is about to make it another 5* QB in '25 class and he's going to be the #1 QB recruit nationally and one of the best to come around in a loooong time....and watch him wind up in the SEC or something. WTF.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #438 on: December 15, 2022, 01:35:41 PM »
I think if JJ continues to develop into a high pick, things will change.  But literally every QB at UM under Harbaugh has seen their draft status fall during their time there.

I think it makes it easy to negative recruit, then you throw in NIL
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #439 on: December 15, 2022, 01:51:58 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 15, 2022, 01:35:41 PM
I think if JJ continues to develop into a high pick, things will change.  But literally every QB at UM under Harbaugh has seen their draft status fall during their time there.

I think it makes it easy to negative recruit, then you throw in NIL
well to be honest, every QB he's had at Michigan has kinda been dogsh*t in terms of raw physical talent aside from Milton & JJ. JJ is the first guy he's had that makes you go...WHOA...this one's a little different now. I think Rudock was by far the best QB he's had at Michigan since JJ came along. Speight was meh. Joe Milton was literally awful. Cade was eh. Shea was pretty good at times- but had really bad bouts of inaccuracy and was turn over prone.

Jim's had two 5*'s - Shea and JJ. In retrospect Shea probably should've never been ranked a 5* after seeing his lack of size (he was just over 6') and lack of arm strength. JJ is a legit 6'3ish. Shea had OK arm strength. JJ has a straight up cannon. Shea could move and run, but he definitely didn't have the wheels that JJ has. Shea was fast for a QB. JJ is just fast.

I think Jeem almost leaving for the Minnesota Vikings on NSD is what has bricked his '23 class. No doubt every 'croot has been blasted about that with negative recruiting by every competitor. Jim's '24 class looks like it's going to be much better.

As far as Dante Moore goes, it is sounding like Bo Nix might be coming back and that Moore wants to play right away- which is why he's probably going to flip to UCLA now. Won't even care about CJ Carr in '24 as long as Jim closes the deal on Jadyn Davis. But it's going to really suck to see Bryce Underwood go to the SEC or something when he's going to be a Drew Henson level talent at QB. Moore and Carr are really good, but Underwood is on a completely other level from those guys.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #440 on: December 15, 2022, 02:29:58 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 15, 2022, 01:51:58 PM
well to be honest, every QB he's had at Michigan has kinda been dogsh*t in terms of raw physical talent aside from Milton & JJ. JJ is the first guy he's had that makes you go...WHOA...this one's a little different now. I think Rudock was by far the best QB he's had at Michigan since JJ came along. Speight was meh. Joe Milton was literally awful. Cade was eh. Shea was pretty good at times- but had really bad bouts of inaccuracy and was turn over prone.

Jim's had two 5*'s - Shea and JJ. In retrospect Shea probably should've never been ranked a 5* after seeing his lack of size (he was just over 6') and lack of arm strength. JJ is a legit 6'3ish. Shea had OK arm strength. JJ has a straight up cannon. Shea could move and run, but he definitely didn't have the wheels that JJ has. Shea was fast for a QB. JJ is just fast.

I think Jeem almost leaving for the Minnesota Vikings on NSD is what has bricked his '23 class. No doubt every 'croot has been blasted about that with negative recruiting by every competitor. Jim's '24 class looks like it's going to be much better.

As far as Dante Moore goes, it is sounding like Bo Nix might be coming back and that Moore wants to play right away- which is why he's probably going to flip to UCLA now. Won't even care about CJ Carr in '24 as long as Jim closes the deal on Jadyn Davis. But it's going to really suck to see Bryce Underwood go to the SEC or something when he's going to be a Drew Henson level talent at QB. Moore and Carr are really good, but Underwood is on a completely other level from those guys.
Shea was a projected top 10 pick by everyone going into his senior season.  And if you need a legit 5* QB to put him in the draft, that's a problem.  Not many of those guys, and the vast majority of guys in the draft ain't that guy
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #441 on: December 15, 2022, 02:47:23 PM »
Kenny Picket and Brock Purdy weren't 5 stars
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #442 on: December 15, 2022, 02:50:03 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 15, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Shea was a projected top 10 pick by everyone going into his senior season.  And if you need a legit 5* QB to put him in the draft, that's a problem.  Not many of those guys, and the vast majority of guys in the draft ain't that guy
In retrospect maybe Shea was a kid who was over-ranked as a HS recruit that physically peaked in HS who played on a HS all-star small ball team in Louisiana before transferring to the ultimate All-Star team in IMG for his SR year and he went to all the HS camps and combines and passing events and got the early and often exposure a lot of other guys don't get early on in the 'crootin process.

At the end of the day Shea is what he is. He's an under-sized 6 ft., 200ish pound QB that runs in the 4.7-4.8 range, that never read defenses at a high level, really didn't have a good pocket awareness/presence, didn't have elite accuracy/ball-placement, didn't have elite arm strength, didn't have elite speed/quickness which imo most under-sized QB's need if they don't have any of that other stuff. If Shea had the talent to play in the NFL he would've been drafted or he would've been signed to a UDFA and stuck around. He didn't, because: he doesn't.

Like to be a smaller QB and be high level player- you have to be elite or near elite in at least some of these categories. Shea had none of it. Just decent to adequate or above average across the board in all those categories.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #443 on: December 15, 2022, 02:51:08 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 15, 2022, 02:47:23 PM
Kenny Picket and Brock Purdy weren't 5 stars
Yup.

Guys like Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawerence, DeShaun Watson, Tua Taugaviola, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields were. Give me guys like that over Kenny Pickett and Brock Purdy. JMO.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #444 on: December 15, 2022, 04:02:09 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 15, 2022, 02:51:08 PM
Yup.

Guys like Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawerence, DeShaun Watson, Tua Taugaviola, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields were. Give me guys like that over Kenny Pickett and Brock Purdy. JMO.
Sure.

But Jim hasn't even put a Kenny Pickett in the NFL, let alone as a 1st round pick.  It's super easy to negative recruit against him as it relates to QB development right now
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #445 on: December 15, 2022, 04:20:24 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 15, 2022, 02:51:08 PM
Yup.

Guys like Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawerence, DeShaun Watson, Tua Taugaviola, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields were. Give me guys like that over Kenny Pickett and Brock Purdy. JMO.
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #446 on: December 15, 2022, 04:32:00 PM »
4* QB Sam Leavitt flips from WSU to MSU.  Washington offered him late, and to be honest, that seems like a system where a QB could thrive.  Sit behind Penix for a year, and then take over.  But I'm glad to have him
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Re: 2023 Recruiting or How I learned to stop worrying & love the portal
« Reply #447 on: December 15, 2022, 08:55:17 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 15, 2022, 04:02:09 PM
Sure.

But Jim hasn't even put a Kenny Pickett in the NFL, let alone as a 1st round pick.  It's super easy to negative recruit against him as it relates to QB development right now
Well he did have Luck. But that was a long time ago and not at Michigan.

I think you said it before and you're probably right, Jeem is a QB maximizer, he's not a QB "developer" or "whisperer" who can take maybe not as talented a QB and develop him in an innovative system which finds creative ways to find easy yards and manufacture big plays in the passing game. 

Jeem just gonna take what he's got at QB and get the most of that QB in his rigid kinda out-dated throwback run heavy west coast, play-action system. Jeem ain't ever gonna have wide open QB reliant systems and develop QBs like Ryan Day or Lincoln Riley. Jeem just is what he is. 
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