2023 Ohio State Season Thread

[utee94]

Should be able to theoretically, but in practice have been outbid multiple times for recruits and portal transfers.  Gene Smith made a plea for more NIL "donations" to get up to snuff.


Gene Smith asking for more NIL money

I hear you, but EVERY athletic director and/or head coach is doing the same thing, either publicly or privately.

Remember last summer when Saban called out Fisher and A&M for buying up players?  That wasn't an appeal to the NCAA or the SEC to intervene and investigate-- Saban doesn't care about buying players, he's been doing it for years.  Rather, it was a direct shot to his boosters, telling them they need to pay up if they want to be able to compete. 

[FearlessF]

Alabama is going to struggle with NIL.  They just don't have the pockets, or the local/regional opportunities for branding, that many other major football schools have.  Guys like Bryce Young can use their national appeal to land fat Dr. Pepper deals, but he's doing that on his own, not through Alabama's organized NIL structures, so that's not helping the 2nd string o-lineman who's being offered $50K at other places, while Alabama just can't match it.

I'm sure they have the pockets

branding got VERY little to do with it.

bagmen never been concerned about branding

[utee94]

I'm sure they have the pockets

branding got VERY little to do with it.

bagmen never been concerned about branding

Bagmen are losing out to genuine NIL deals. Badly. That's going to be Alabama's major problem.  It's already A&M's major problem and why their last two recruiting classes are evaporating.

[Honestbuckeye]

Should be able to theoretically, but in practice have been outbid multiple times for recruits and portal transfers.  Gene Smith made a plea for more NIL "donations" to get up to snuff.


Gene Smith asking for more NIL money

Again speculation on my part, but based on what I have read from alleged insiders, the issue with Ohio State has been that they have refused to offer upfront money for unproven players at all. They instead have focused on talking about the substantial amount of money that could be earned down the line once a player has proven himself on the field.

[MrNubbz]

Bagmen are losing out to genuine NIL deals. Badly. That's going to be Alabama's major problem.  It's already A&M's major problem and why their last two recruiting classes are evaporating.

I hear ya but according the recruiting services he had the Top incoming Class.So at least this next season it doesn't appear a problem for the Tide

[MrNubbz]

I can’t see Marv leaving. I could see Henderson bolting for another team though…

be a great pick up - if he can stay healthy

[Honestbuckeye]

be a great pick up - if he can stay healthy

Why would Henderson leave.  He will be RB1 on a top Ten team next season.  

people ( including many OSU fans) completely forgot how good he is.   True- the key is staying healthy.    We haven’t actually seen that version since the first 5 games of 21.  He was something special before he got hurt. 

[MrNubbz]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2023/01/136722/the-hurry-up-jason-moore-lincoln-kienholz-brandon-inniss-named-gatorade-player-of-the-year-in-their

A trio of Ohio State signees were named Gatorade Players of the Year on Friday.

Five-star wide receiver Brandon Inniss was named the top player in Florida, four-star quarterback Lincoln Kienholz earned those honors in South Dakota and Jason Moore was selected as Maryland’s Gatorade Player of the Year as the top high school football player in every state was honored.

[FearlessF]

Lincoln Kienholz earned those honors in South Dakota????

Future jackrabbit or bison

[847badgerfan]

Yeah but here’s the thing….

Ohio State football is a WAY bigger brand than USC football, it generates way more money than USC, and it’s boosters donate way more money.

Any NIL deal that USC collectives could offer Marv, an OSU collective could offer just as much if not more if it really wanted to.

USC is kinda a poor in this whole thing. It’s not at the money making level of a Texas, A&M, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Bama and it never has been. They don’t get the tv ratings to generate the fat tv contract hence to move to the B1G and they can’t even sell out their stadium when they are actually any good.

Nope.

[utee94]

I hear ya but according the recruiting services he had the Top incoming Class.So at least this next season it doesn't appear a problem for the Tide

Tide are unique in that Saban has built up an NFL-producing machine, as well as a consistently winning program.  That still matters to recruits.  Alabama isn't going to drop off of some cliff into immediate mediocrity.

But over time, their advantages will be minimized and countered, by schools that prove effective at offering actual, real NIL structures.

[Mdot21]

Nope.

Yup. Ohio State football is #2 in revenues. Only Texas brought in more in 2021, per WSJ. Texas is always #1 in revenue, so not a surprise. Alabama is #3, Michigan is #4, and ND rounds out the top 5. USC? 23rd. It’s practically a poor in the sport. 

Ohio State football has just about double the revenues of USC football. That doesn’t just boil down to having a better tv deal and ticket sales. That tends to suggest they are getting A LOT more in donations as well. Which- would make sense. It’s got a much bigger fan base and alumni base. USC is a tiny private school in a city and state in which they are really kind of irrelevant. Ohio State is a massive public school with probably 3-5x the enrollment and 5-10x the alumni base in a state where they are THE show in town and probably bigger than all the pro sports teams.

[MrNubbz]

https://usatodayhss.com/2023/5-star-brandon-inniss-turned-down-nil-deals-to-play-for-ohio-state-buckeyes

In the days of flip-flopping commitments and programs making loud moves in the recruiting game while dangling the NIL deals that now seemingly carry just as much weight as stadiums and campuses and playing time, Brandon Inniss sidestepped the trend and let the bandwagon move along.
The 5-star American Heritage (Fla.) standout said that he passed up possible lucrative NIL deals late in his recruiting process, all of which were efforts to get the talented receiver to change his mind about joining the Ohio State Buckeyes.It was a decision, as Inniss told 247Sports while speaking at the All-American Bowl check-in, that came down to a long-tail perspective that goes well beyond Saturdays at The Horseshoe.

“Do you take the money now or do you get developed to be the best you can be, and in the long run you’ll earn more money and be more ready and developed by the time you get to the NFL?”

[847badgerfan]

Yup. Ohio State football is #2 in revenues. Only Texas brought in more in 2021, per WSJ. Texas is always #1 in revenue, so not a surprise. Alabama is #3, Michigan is #4, and ND rounds out the top 5. USC? 23rd. It’s practically a poor in the sport.

Ohio State football has just about double the revenues of USC football. That doesn’t just boil down to having a better tv deal and ticket sales. That tends to suggest they are getting A LOT more in donations as well. Which- would make sense. It’s got a much bigger fan base and alumni base. USC is a tiny private school in a city and state in which they are really kind of irrelevant. Ohio State is a massive public school with probably 3-5x the enrollment and 5-10x the alumni base in a state where they are THE show in town and probably bigger than all the pro sports teams.

We're talking about booster donations here - not overall revenue. Overall has zero to do with NIL, as the schools cannot directly buy players.

USC has boosters OSU could only dream of. They have so much money, even the band members and cheerleaders get paid. They also travel to every road game.

Trust me. OSU isn't even close to USC's booster level. It's them and ND, and then the rest.