Rumors out there that Marvin Harrison Jr. is heading to USC?Shut your whore mouth
Couple of years ago I would've thought no way because there's zero reason for him to do something like that.Yeah but here’s the thing….
Then came NIL, and who knows anymore.
Rumors out there that Marvin Harrison Jr. is heading to USC?Someone asked Marv about that and is answer was “ where the F does this SHIT come from”
Iowa offered more NIL $$$ than Bama
Ohio State has some very good, organized NIL structures in place. They should be able to compete with USC in that arena.Should be able to theoretically, but in practice have been outbid multiple times for recruits and portal transfers. Gene Smith made a plea for more NIL "donations" to get up to snuff.
In other areas like beaches and song girls, not so much.
Should be able to theoretically, but in practice have been outbid multiple times for recruits and portal transfers. Gene Smith made a plea for more NIL "donations" to get up to snuff.I hear you, but EVERY athletic director and/or head coach is doing the same thing, either publicly or privately.
Gene Smith asking for more NIL money (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2022/12/135923/gene-smith-asks-for-additional-support-of-ohio-state-name-image-and-likeness-collectives)
Alabama is going to struggle with NIL. They just don't have the pockets, or the local/regional opportunities for branding, that many other major football schools have. Guys like Bryce Young can use their national appeal to land fat Dr. Pepper deals, but he's doing that on his own, not through Alabama's organized NIL structures, so that's not helping the 2nd string o-lineman who's being offered $50K at other places, while Alabama just can't match it.I'm sure they have the pockets
I'm sure they have the pockets
branding got VERY little to do with it.
bagmen never been concerned about branding
Should be able to theoretically, but in practice have been outbid multiple times for recruits and portal transfers. Gene Smith made a plea for more NIL "donations" to get up to snuff.Again speculation on my part, but based on what I have read from alleged insiders, the issue with Ohio State has been that they have refused to offer upfront money for unproven players at all. They instead have focused on talking about the substantial amount of money that could be earned down the line once a player has proven himself on the field.
Gene Smith asking for more NIL money (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2022/12/135923/gene-smith-asks-for-additional-support-of-ohio-state-name-image-and-likeness-collectives)
Bagmen are losing out to genuine NIL deals. Badly. That's going to be Alabama's major problem. It's already A&M's major problem and why their last two recruiting classes are evaporating.I hear ya but according the recruiting services he had the Top incoming Class.So at least this next season it doesn't appear a problem for the Tide
I can’t see Marv leaving. I could see Henderson bolting for another team though…be a great pick up - if he can stay healthy
be a great pick up - if he can stay healthyWhy would Henderson leave. He will be RB1 on a top Ten team next season.
Yeah but here’s the thing….Nope.
Ohio State football is a WAY bigger brand than USC football, it generates way more money than USC, and it’s boosters donate way more money.
Any NIL deal that USC collectives could offer Marv, an OSU collective could offer just as much if not more if it really wanted to.
USC is kinda a poor in this whole thing. It’s not at the money making level of a Texas, A&M, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Bama and it never has been. They don’t get the tv ratings to generate the fat tv contract hence to move to the B1G and they can’t even sell out their stadium when they are actually any good.
I hear ya but according the recruiting services he had the Top incoming Class.So at least this next season it doesn't appear a problem for the TideTide are unique in that Saban has built up an NFL-producing machine, as well as a consistently winning program. That still matters to recruits. Alabama isn't going to drop off of some cliff into immediate mediocrity.
Nope.Yup. Ohio State football is #2 in revenues. Only Texas brought in more in 2021, per WSJ. Texas is always #1 in revenue, so not a surprise. Alabama is #3, Michigan is #4, and ND rounds out the top 5. USC? 23rd. It’s practically a poor in the sport.
Yup. Ohio State football is #2 in revenues. Only Texas brought in more in 2021, per WSJ. Texas is always #1 in revenue, so not a surprise. Alabama is #3, Michigan is #4, and ND rounds out the top 5. USC? 23rd. It’s practically a poor in the sport.We're talking about booster donations here - not overall revenue. Overall has zero to do with NIL, as the schools cannot directly buy players.
Ohio State football has just about double the revenues of USC football. That doesn’t just boil down to having a better tv deal and ticket sales. That tends to suggest they are getting A LOT more in donations as well. Which- would make sense. It’s got a much bigger fan base and alumni base. USC is a tiny private school in a city and state in which they are really kind of irrelevant. Ohio State is a massive public school with probably 3-5x the enrollment and 5-10x the alumni base in a state where they are THE show in town and probably bigger than all the pro sports teams.
We're talking about booster donations here - not overall revenue. Overall has zero to do with NIL, as the schools cannot directly buy players.Booster donations are counted as part of the football revenues. Ohio State football has literally nearly double the yearly revenues of USC football. The TV contracts and ticket sales alone wouldn't account for double. I would bet my left nut that Ohio State also has a lot more in donations to the football program than USC does.
USC has boosters OSU could only dream of. They have so much money, even the band members and cheerleaders get paid. They also travel to every road game.
Trust me. OSU isn't even close to USC's booster level. It's them and ND, and then the rest.
https://usatodayhss.com/2023/5-star-brandon-inniss-turned-down-nil-deals-to-play-for-ohio-state-buckeyesMiami boosters are throwing huge money into NIL desperate to try buy players to win, and they still suck and they still can't keep 5* local talents like Innis home. Lol.
In the days of flip-flopping commitments and programs making loud moves in the recruiting game while dangling the NIL deals that now seemingly carry just as much weight as stadiums and campuses and playing time, Brandon Inniss sidestepped the trend and let the bandwagon move along.
The 5-star American Heritage (Fla.) standout said that he passed up possible lucrative NIL deals late in his recruiting process, all of which were efforts to get the talented receiver to change his mind about joining the Ohio State Buckeyes.It was a decision, as Inniss told 247Sports (https://247sports.com/Article/Brandon-Inniss-five-star-Ohio-State-NIL-football-recruiting-201937860/) while speaking at the All-American Bowl check-in, that came down to a long-tail perspective that goes well beyond Saturdays at The Horseshoe.
“Do you take the money now or do you get developed to be the best you can be, and in the long run you’ll earn more money and be more ready and developed by the time you get to the NFL?”
Booster donations are counted as part of the football revenues. Ohio State football has literally nearly double the yearly revenues of USC football. The TV contracts and ticket sales alone wouldn't account for double. I would bet my left nut that Ohio State also has a lot more in donations to the football program than USC does.Not at most schools they don't. They go straight to the Foundation, which distributes.
You're kidding yourself if you don't think there are insanely wealthy people that love and donate to Ohio State football. 'Cause there are. Lots of them.
USC football is a poor. One of the many reasons why they are jumping ship from the PAC and joining the B1G.
Not at most schools they don't. They go straight to the Foundation, which distributes.From what I can gather, the donations directly to the football program are counted as part of a football programs revenues.
And don't bet your nuts, unless you don't need 'em anymore.
USC is not poor in anything. They just see a better opportunity to get off of a sinking ship.
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As for the "double" thing, welp, you tell me. Looks like more than double, yes?
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OSU gets about $60 Million for football season tickets.right...and that goes back to donations. you have to donate to get the season tickets....the more you donate...the better seats you get. OSU getting loooooot more in donations appears like.
USC gets about $20 Million.
right...and that goes back to donations. you have to donate to get the season tickets....the more you donate...the better seats you get. OSU getting loooooot more in donations appears like.I'm not counting donations in those figures. Ticket revenue only.
Miami boosters are throwing huge money into NIL desperate to try buy players to win, and they still suck and they still can't keep 5* local talents like Innis home. Lol.Miami's NIL program is extremely efficient, cohesive, and well thought-out. They don't have as much money as other schools but they got ahead of the curve figuring out how to implement an effective and comprehensive NIL program.
Miami's NIL program is extremely efficient, cohesive, and well thought-out. They don't have as much money as other schools but they got ahead of the curve figuring out how to implement an effective and comprehensive NIL program.Phil Knight is the only reason Oregon has a semi legit football program as it is. He's poured who knows how many millions into that program over the last 20 years. Could be hundreds of millions and it wouldn't shock me. Still doesn't have a natty to show for it. Seems like a terrible investment.
The only school that has done it better so far, is Oregon, and that's solely because Phil Knight has dedicated an entire arm of Nike to running the NIL on behalf of Oregon. He started preparing the moment the first legislation was even proposed, and was completely ready to go as soon as the legislation was enacted.
Oregon is gonna be screwed once Knight croaks. Dude has to be close to 90. He's old as dirrrrt. He'd have been better off just buying an NFL team with his billions.He loves CFB like us
Phil Knight is the only reason Oregon has a semi legit football program as it is. He's poured who knows how many millions into that program over the last 20 years. Could be hundreds of millions and it wouldn't shock me. Still doesn't have a natty to show for it. Seems like a terrible investment.I think the PK85 tournament last month was for his 85th birthday
Oregon is gonna be screwed once he croaks. Dude has to be close to 90. He's old as dirrrrt. He'd have been better off just buying an NFL team with his billions.
Cade Stover & Xavier Johnson evidently coming back 👍Stover is a nice piece. Johnson is going to be like what, a 7th year player? Seems like he just got some run this year. He's going that Stet Bennett route, being 37 and playing against a bunch of 18-20 year olds.
6th, Xavier was redshirted & had an injured season he had two carries vs UM for 24 yds and things like thisAll American Lb Tommy Eichenberg returning as well.
https://youtu.be/XBzE1D8P8wU
watch all 55 seconds, did you do that at 37? He can ball - very versitile
Anyway Brian Hartline promoted to O.C. after Kevin Wilson left for the Tulsa HC job. Good move IMO hopefully he can recruit other positions like he did WRs,that'd be absolutely fantastic
Who's the next QB up for the Bucks?Kyle McCord or Devin Brown. McCord was a OMG five Starz ( as MDOt likes to say). He was Marvin Harrison Jr.’s HS QB, they won a couple state champs together. Great arm, moderately mobile. Been learning the offense for 2 full years. OSU pursued/ preferred him over J j McCarthy.
OSU gets about $60 Million for football season tickets.
USC gets about $20 Million.
At USC you can walk up on gameday and get a ticket. At OSU, you get on a list and wait 10 years to get a ticket.
HUGE difference there.
OSU tickets are double the price of USC.
Not to mention USC pulls in about 60K people while OSU pulls in 105K. Demand matters.
Also not quite right. OSU has been selling tickets to the public since 2019. They are still selling out most games, but those out of State cupcake games are coming up 10k short of a sell out.That's what? One game per season?
Where did you get these numbers?I just looked at the cost of tickets, multiplied by a percent of capacity.
Start at $559 per? My last game at Ohio Stadium was 2021, and it was a big one at night vs. Penn State. That was a little over $200. Maybe $559 factors in donations or PSL?$200 face? Or what you paid for it?
Start at $559 per? My last game at Ohio Stadium was 2021, and it was a big one at night vs. Penn State. That was a little over $200. Maybe $559 factors in donations or PSL?Per season ticket. Starting. Not sure why you are doing this?
It could mean that UDub and Oregon are about to get a Big Ten invite.The HORROR,make it stop. Sports is suppose to be respite from every day drivel and mischief but I'm not seeing it
losing 3 in a row to your rival when you've out recruited them is an honest casedude would have an 87% win rate under this hypothetical. just a bit shy of Urban's 89% at OSU.
dude would have an 87% win rate under this hypothetical. just a bit shy of Urban's 89% at OSU.First I totally agree that a lot of Urban's and Tressel's roughly 20 year domination of THE GAME had as much to do with Michigan not being very good as it did with what was going on in Columbus.
Yes, Meyer thoroughly dominated Michigan but Michigan was not what it was by any stretch of the imagination during that time period. Michigan stunk under Hoke for Urban's first 3 years- and it took Jeem a loooong time but he's leveled his ish up. Jeem never had a QB as talented as he's had now, an OL as good or deep as he's had now, nor a single RB in the same universe as Corum let alone Edwards- all due respect to guys like Karran Higdon or Hassan Haskins.
Day is about as good as it gets as a head coach just shy of someone like Urban or Nick Saban. Or now the new king of the sport- Kirby. Think it'd be absolutely ludicrous if he was on the hot seat if he went 10-2 after losing maybe the best QB OSU's ever had- certainly the most accurate one they've ever had- and 3/5ths of his starting OL- including a pair of tackles- one that will probably go top 10 overall and the other in the 2nd rd.
little hypothetical here....lets say Ohio State goes 10-2 and loses to Michigan in Ann Arbor. Is Ryan Day on the hot seat?You don’t.
In this scenario Ryan Day will have been 55-8 overall with 2 B1G titles with FIVE top 5 recruiting classes in a row (if his current '24 class ranking holds).
I understand everyone in BuckNut land would be flaming pissed he had lost 3 in a row to Michigan, but how do you make an honest case to fire a coach with that track record?
I think the conversation is rather stupidIt is, but "we" go there in the off season. I remember why the Dawgs fired Jim Donnan, he did "OK' by Dawg standards of the day but he lost consistently to UF/UT/Auburn and sometimes Tech. That sealed his fate more than his overall records.
dude would have an 87% win rate under this hypothetical. just a bit shy of Urban's 89% at OSU.Booger's best team until the last two yrs(thanx to portal) was the 2016 Team that Hokemon recruited
Yes, Meyer thoroughly dominated Michigan but Michigan was not what it was by any stretch of the imagination during that time period. Michigan stunk under Hoke for Urban's first 3 years- and it took Jeem a loooong time but he's leveled his ish up.
I remain "surprised?" that UM beat OSU in Cbus and then lost to TCU. I think in part, TCU probably is not nearly as bad as they looked in the final game. Maybe they beat UM one time in ten, and that one showed up. Maybe OSU was motivated to prove something against UGA after misfiring against UM.look at Jeem's record in post season and it's not that surprising...
Maybe Day should be fired.... not.
I remain "surprised?" that UM beat OSU in Cbus and then lost to TCU. I think in part, TCU probably is not nearly as bad as they looked in the final game. Maybe they beat UM one time in ten, and that one showed up. Maybe OSU was motivated to prove something against UGA after misfiring against UM.I honestly think that all of these seemingly irreconcilable results had more to do with Michigan than the other teams involved. Specifically:
I honestly think that all of these seemingly irreconcilable results had more to do with Michigan than the other teams involved. Specifically:yeah no doubt about it. agree 100%. these are 18-22 year old kids and for the most part they are going to play up or down to competition, just the way it goes.My theory:
- Michigan beat tOSU by 22
- Michigan lost to TCU
- tOSU pushed UGA to the brink and BARELY lost to them
- UGA beat TCU by something like 1,000 points
Michigan wants that Ohio State win more than ANYTHING else. After being pushed around for the better part of two decades THAT game is the only one that matters for them.
Michigan simply overperformed in the tOSU game and underperformed in the TCU game.
I view it the way I view Tressel's first season, 2001:Illinois was NOT, IMHO, the best team but:
- Ohio State beat Michigan
- Michigan beat Illinois
- Illinois beat Ohio State
- Illinois won the league outright
- Ohio State overperformed in the Michigan game, and
- Ohio State underperformed in the Illinois game.
One thing about a good defense, it usually doesn't take a day off and it travels well.yup. something OSU has struggled with the last couple years in the big games. Oregon and M ran all over them in '21 and their inability to stop the huge play killed them down the stretch vs M and UGA in '22.
yup. something OSU has struggled with the last couple years in the big games. Oregon and M ran all over them in '21 and their inability to stop the huge play killed them down the stretch vs M and UGA in '22.Truth!
OSU will have to turn that defense around if they want to reach their ultimate goals in '23.
yup. something OSU has struggled with the last couple years in the big games. Oregon and M ran all over them in '21 and their inability to stop the huge play killed them down the stretch vs M and UGA in '22.I still say the main problem at least in The Game in 22 was the offense not the defense.
OSU will have to turn that defense around if they want to reach their ultimate goals in '23.
ESPN FPI ranks Ohio State as the #1 team in the country and a 10 pt favorite over MichiganAsinine.
The Buckeyes landed OT Josh Simmons from San Diego State in the transfer portal. A big need was met, as they lost both OTs in the recent draft.Really good weekend for the buckeyes. They also picked up Lorenzo Styles from ND Through the portal and excellent, speedy four star running back out of Florida
ESPN FPI ranks Ohio State as the #1 team in the country and a 10 pt favorite over MichiganProlly the same polls that had Brandon leading RFK jr by a large margin
Lot of them aren't playing school . I remember Gatorama stating most belong in reform school or remedial classes .Now that higher ed is moving away from standardized testing it will be harder to document/prove this but Gatorama was absolutely right. I did a comparison once of all B1G average SAT scores for "football team members" compared to their general student body and it was pathetic. Worse, in doing it, it became apparent to me that the schools were jacking up their "football team" scores by including EVERYBODY on the team. The walk-on's are "real" students so their scores were better and actually propped up the overall "football team" score. If you were able to compare just "Football Scholarship Recipients" to "General Student Population" the difference would be even worse.
Ya like Kinesiology ;DExactly but, in their defense, the better the school the more need there is to create an "athlete" major.
Irish fans are worried...Touchdown Jesus is calling home his prodigal son's
https://thespun.com/college-football/notre-dame-fans-react-to-concerns-about-ohio-state-invading-stadium (https://thespun.com/college-football/notre-dame-fans-react-to-concerns-about-ohio-state-invading-stadium)
https://fightingirishwire.usatoday.com/2023/07/06/podcast-host-any-fan-selling-ohio-state-tickets-an-absolute-loser/ (https://fightingirishwire.usatoday.com/2023/07/06/podcast-host-any-fan-selling-ohio-state-tickets-an-absolute-loser/)
I have no idea what to expect from Northwestern this year.I don't think anyone does, but I don't think it will be pretty.
10-3 is an absolute worst case scenario for OSU.As an Ohio State fan, it is tempting to believe this. Ohio State's recent history supports it. It has been almost 20 years since an Ohio State team lost more than three games in a year without being in an unscheduled coaching transition:
imo no way they go 8-5. The OL would have to be a complete disaster PLUS McCord would have to truly suck for that imo. Don't think either of those things happen, and virtually no way both those things happen.
a defense was 115th in giving up 40+ yard plays, a defense that was 6th in forcing 3 and outs.I cut up your post to get to these two items:
Why would Henderson leave. He will be RB1 on a top Ten team next season.I think this injury hurt Ohio State more than even the JSN injury in 2022. It can be hard to see it because, statistically, Ohio State's running game was pretty good in 2022. I think a lot of that, however, was due to two factors:
people ( including many OSU fans) completely forgot how good he is. True- the key is staying healthy. We haven’t actually seen that version since the first 5 games of 21. He was something special before he got hurt.
hopefully not as bad as Coach PrimeHas something went wrong that I'm not aware of?
I knew that - didn't he work wonders with transfers & recruits?yes, he will have talent
Two other things on the concept of a high risk/reward defense paired with Ohio State's typically powerful offenses:My educated, guess is that they will actually tilt the other way a little bit this year. What I mean by that is I don’t think they’re going to shoot for as explosive of an offense because I think they’re going to rely even more on their running game, especially earlier in the season, as they break in a new quarterback conversely, I think they will do the same on defense and play a little bit more umbrella versus aggressive.
First, @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) noted above that last year tOSU's defense was 6th nationally in forcing three-and-outs and 115th in allowing 40+ yard plays. While I'm comfortable with the trade off, improvement is obviously needed. Being 6th in three-and-outs is about where we need to be but 115th is terrible. There are only around 130 teams so that is approaching the bottom 10%. Improving to around average in that category would probably mean one less 40+ yard play per game. Apply that to the closeish wins and the losses last year:Say you take away Michigan's first TD (a 69 yard TD pass on third-and-nine). If that is a three-and-out Ohio State gets the ball, likely in decent position up 10-3. Even ignoring the potential impact on early momentum, Michigan never takes a first-half lead and trails 20-10 instead of 20-17 at the half.
- The 21-10 win over ND becomes a borderline blowout at 21-3.
- The 44-31 win over PSU becomes a borderline blowout at 44-24.
- The 42-41 loss to UGA becomes a win.
- In theory the 45-23 loss to Michigan simply becomes a less embarrassing 38-23 loss but in practice the game is closer the whole way which could change the overall outcome.
Instead of Michigan's early fourth quarter TD giving them what turned out to be an insurmountable two-score (11point) lead, it only gives them a four point lead at 24-20.
When Ohio State faces 4th and goal at the four midway through the fourth quarter instead of being compelled to kick a FG to make it a one score game they have a choice, either:That changes the last part of the game immensely. Instead of Ohio State playing desperate because the situation forces desperation while Michigan can relax and protect their big lead, the game becomes a dogfight with pressure on BOTH sides not just one.
- Kick a FG to bring it within one so that a FG wins it, a TD wins if M kicks a FG, or a TD and 2pt conversion sends it to OT even if M gets a TD, or
- Go for the TD and the lead.
Second, I am somewhat concerned that the high risk/reward defense may lead to unexpected outcomes. Hypothetically let's say the tOSU, PSU, and M are all about even. Then in theory Ohio State's games against both should be close but the high risk/reward may not payoff evenly across games. Instead of say a close loss to one and a close win over the other, tOSU could end up blowing one out and getting blown out by the other.
My educated, guess is that they will actually tilt the other way a little bit this year. What I mean by that is I don’t think they’re going to shoot for as explosive of an offense because I think they’re going to rely even more on their running game, especially earlier in the season, as they break in a new quarterback conversely, I think they will do the same on defense and play a little bit more umbrella versus aggressive.I agree but it isn't just because they have a new QB. If Henderson and Williams are both healthy it would make sense to run more even if the entire passing offense from last year returned.
OSU in Madison is a night game on NBC. 7:30 Eastern.Oh yay. Coming off of a tough, physical game and heading into a Camp Randall packed to capacity with screaming drunken 🧀 cheeseheads jumping around, sounds like a blast!
Oh yay. Coming off of a tough, physical game and heading into a Camp Randall packed to capacity with screaming drunken 🧀 cheeseheads jumping around, sounds like a blast!Now I’m just thinking about declining to go see OSU-UW last year. Just a good call.
Oh yay. Coming off of a tough, physical game and heading into a Camp Randall packed to capacity with screaming drunken 🧀 cheeseheads jumping around, sounds like a blast!No worries they'll have started quaffing well before Gameday comes on and won't find CRS until the 2nd Qtr.If they're not passed out or knocking each other down like dominos by the end of Jump Around then they'll they show themselves out resembling Peter Boyle as Frankenstein's monster. 847 use to choreograph all of this
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/07/139771/luke-montgomery-in-the-competition-to-start-at-offensive-tackle-for-ohio-state-as-a-true-freshman-in-2023?ampYou may be overthinking this. They have some very talented guys ahead of him in terms of experience- so it might be a touch of coach speak. They have recruited well.
This probably isn't a good sign. There is a good possibility, a nothing possibility, and an ugly possibility:
The good:
Orlando Pace started as a True Freshman because he was just THAT good. If this guy isn't the next Orlando Pace then move on:
The nothing:
There is a strong chance that he isn't REALLY in the mix and this is just "coach-speak", Day trying to encourage him or keep the others on their toes or both.
The ugly:
Luke Montgomery is NOT the next Orlando Pace but he IS in serious contention for a starting spot anyway because Ohio State is REALLY lacking in quality tackles.
You may be overthinking this.Who, me? Never!
They have some very talented guys ahead of him in terms of experience- so it might be a touch of coach speak. They have recruited well.Agreed, of the possibilities I listed, "coach speak" / nothing to see here is by far the most likely, IMHO.
The transfer ( Simmons) is said to be very athletic so we will see how he looks in live reps- but he starred 13 games as a freshman at SDSU.
And don’t forget, Montgomery was a highly recruited guy, and they say he is well over 320 now.
Lastly- it may be a way of keeping him positively engaged. He has been a vocal recruiter for OSU, and his brother was believed to be their focus as the 2025 QB. But they went with Tavien St. Clair instead.
I don't think it's much of a secret that OSU wasn't too satisfied with their tackle situation. They made a strong push in the transfer portal and clearly aren't sold on the options they have.I think they are wishing that Wypler hadn’t left- wasnt expected. But he nailed it v Georgia
My statement aside, I actually think they might be pretty good on the line. Day has valued pass blocking almost to a fault - these guys may not be special there but they might be pretty motivated to mash some people.I'll add that a decent rushing game to bring some balance to the offense would be a humongous help. It would prevent opponents from focusing so much on stopping the passing game.
Big Ten Official Says Peach Bowl Got Ohio State-Georgia Call Wrong (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-ten-official-says-peach-bowl-got-ohio-state-georgia-call-wrong/ar-AA1eBBk4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8ebac7d195f042bda919f1136a88ff1d&ei=11)I think it is that foul in general that needs work. I have two issues:
Big Ten Official Says Peach Bowl Got Ohio State-Georgia Call Wrong (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-ten-official-says-peach-bowl-got-ohio-state-georgia-call-wrong/ar-AA1eBBk4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8ebac7d195f042bda919f1136a88ff1d&ei=11)Sadly- it’s water under the bridge. It was obvious then and now.
Ryan Day asking his staff to take a vote on who should be the starting QB and vote is split down the middle.I interpret that as he has two guys that are good enough to be in this team to a successful season. He has two former five stars and they are both playing at a high-level in practice. Sometimes in sports you can’t tell until you see them in a real game situation.
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1693653824030880254?s=20
I interpret that as he has two guys that are good enough to be in this team to a successful season. He has two former five stars and they are both playing at a high-level in practice. Sometimes in sports you can’t tell until you see them in a real game situation.agreed...and just to nitpick, Kyle McCord was a 5* but Devin Brown wasn't quite 5* - close though- 4* and top 50 player in the nation (#43)- which is yeah, pretty good.
some Buckeye fans are like “the sky is falling” which is funny when you think of two lower tier, big 10 quarterbacks are going to start in the SEC, maybe three. And Alabama has three quarterbacks, including a Notre Dame rejects and can’t pick a starter.
Ryan Day asking his staff to take a vote on who should be the starting QB and vote is split down the middle.That’s a weird thing to put out.
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1693653824030880254?s=20
That’s a weird thing to put out.Media put out many weird things though…
Media put out many weird things though…I mean, Ryan Day was the one who put that out.
I mean, Ryan Day was the one who put that out.Yeah, I never trust this kind of stuff and I don't mean that as "from Ryan Day", I don't trust it from Fickell or Harbaugh either. Absent an injury, you'll know after the ND game.
I suppose it could be a bit of a fib to try to prevent someone from transferring this year
I suppose it could be a bit of a fib to try to prevent someone from transferring this yearIt's a shame that this is a real concern.
It's a shame that this is a real concern.there's only one QB that can play at a time....think that has always been a concern when one QB thought he should be the starter but they went with the other guy...
I mean, Ryan Day was the one who put that out.He most certainly did not “ put that out”.
I suppose it could be a bit of a fib to try to prevent someone from transferring this year
so, Day didn't let this slip?No. He said it. I watched it live.
Did someone on the coaching staff?
one of the players?
did the media just make up some fake news?
so, Day didn't let this slip?I'd lean to that.
Did someone on the coaching staff?
one of the players?
did the media just make up some fake news?
No. He said it. I watched it live.so, the running backs are better?
then a media outlet put it out there in the form you see in this thread.
he spoke at great length, and in detail about how well both candidates are doing and how extremely confident the entire staff is in either one of them. In fact, added that one of the reasons why they feel so confident is because they don’t have to worry about avoiding risk taking by running the quarterback as they have in past years.
I'd lean to that.No. He said it. Clearly. In the context of illustrating, just how tight the competition is and just how well both candidates are doing.
so, the running backs are better?Well, you may or may not recall that last year CJ Stroud was often criticized for not being willing to run the ball and pick up easy third down conversions. It came out pretty clearly that he was following the coaches instructions, and if you watched them against Georgia in the playoff, when there was no tomorrow, Day changed that conservative approach and CJ Stroud became quite an effective runner, especially at critical times during the game.
or the QBs just aren't great runners?
or the offense is so derned good they can over come the loss of the QB run game?
Way easier to transfer now.Here's me concerned over Ohio State's potential transfer "problems":
Here's me concerned over Ohio State's potential transfer "problems":Funny. That’s how I feel about how you feel. 😂. Also- they have no transfer portal problem. That’s made up shit on forums like this one.
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There's way less made-up shit on this forum than most others, or all others.Maybe. But shit just got made up in this very thread.
Funny. That’s how I feel about how you feel. 😂. Also- they have no transfer portal problem. That’s made up shit on forums like this one.Kinda my point. I *wish* they had a transfer portal problem. Maybe then they'd share the wealth with the rest of the CFB world lol. :57:
Well, you may or may not recall that last year CJ Stroud was often criticized for not being willing to run the ball and pick up easy third down conversions.OK, I misunderstood
I think the On3 report was disingenuous. It made the situation sound trivial and clownish.Agreed.
Would you not agree with that?
Given how it was reported, I did not believe it.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/08/140233/they-both-deserve-to-play-at-this-point-competition-between-devin-brown-kyle-mccord-could-continue-into-seasonpretty good read. Day has a tough choice to make.
Last season the defense was oh-so-close. I expected/hoped for just a little bit more. They were great (one of the best in the nation) at forcing three-and-outs but the back end gave up too many big plays. That ended up in a feast or famine situation.I really like the transfer CB that OSU got from Ole Miss. As for the rest of the safeties/DBs, think they leave a bit to be desired if I'm being honest. Sonny Styles might flip that script though if Knowles is smart enough to start him- dude is a freak of nature. Not a big fan of Knowles hyper-aggressive scheme either- too many shades of Don Brown for me- I'm permanently scarred by that style of defense.
The first half of The Game was a perfect illustration, Michigan had seven possessions:If they'd just been slightly better in the secondary . . .
- Four were three-and-outs, great!
- Three were scores (2TD'S, 1FG) given up due to long plays.
This year I'm hoping for more incremental improvement over last year and they really don't have all that far to go.
Last season the offense was great but they could have been oh-so-much more. Going into 2022 I honestly expected the offense to be one of the best in the history of CFB. That may sound absurd but consider this: Last year's projected #1 WR missed nearly the entire year due to injury. Last year's projected top-3 RB's missed all or large portions of the season due to injuries.
Last year's offense was one of the best in the Nation without JSN and despite playing fourth-stringers, converted LBers, mascots, and cheerleaders at RB for significant portions of the season.
My argument is that it isn't unreasonable to argue that last year's already great offense with healthy versions of JSN and Henderson would have been an absolute nightmare for opposing DC's and possibly one of the best in CFB history.
This year, who knows what to expect from the offense. It is concerning that neither QB stood out enough to claim the starting job until a few days before the opener. The Oline is also a concern. Even if the starters are solid depth appears to be an issue. The WR's appear to be even more loaded than last year.
If the reports about Tate are accurate the Buckeyes may go four deep with WR's who would be the #1 on most teams.
At RB the Buckeyes should be vastly improved compared to last year.
At RB the Buckeyes should be vastly improved compared to last year.I'd like to see alot more snaps to Dallan Hayden reminds me of Dobbins or a smaller version of Chubb - grinders and great balance
I'd like to see alot more snaps to Dallan Hayden reminds me of Dobbins or a smaller version of Chubb - grinders and great balanceHenderson and Williams are 100% - they'll be getting vast majority of all the carries. as they should. they are the most proven, best RBs on OSU roster.
I really like the transfer CB that OSU got from Ole Miss. As for the rest of the safeties/DBs, think they leave a bit to be desired if I'm being honest. Sonny Styles might flip that script though if Knowles is smart enough to start him- dude is a freak of nature. Not a big fan of Knowles hyper-aggressive scheme either- too many shades of Don Brown for me- I'm permanently scarred by that style of defense.I am actually optimistic about their secondary.
OSU probably beats Georgia and then smokes TCU and wins the natty last year if JSN isn't out for the season and just one of Williams/Henderson stays healthy at RB at the end of the season imo.
I don't have the power or knowledge to change the titleI do.
youse guys are only 100 pages behind the guys up northUs utes.
OUrban says Day won't survive loss to Michigan interim coach.the list of better coaches is short
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/urban-meyer-says-top-college-football-coach-wont-survive-loss-to-biggest-rival (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/urban-meyer-says-top-college-football-coach-wont-survive-loss-to-biggest-rival)
I think he does. Who else are they going to hire?
I wonder if Dallan Hayden up and Portal's.One of the kids that the dimwit Day kept him out when all hands were needed.Maybe has the best insincts that I've seen in any Buckeye back there hits the hole, splits seems,makes the right cut - just great instincts. I've been banging that drum with a few others since before the Maryland game last season. The kid has two full seasons and RD thinks he'll be in College 3 more yrs for him because of this redshirt horseshit? I'll go over to 11 Warriors and burn my account there if Hayden bales and simply yell "TOLD YA SO". Might stay because supposedly promised to start,but how can ya do that before fall camp breaks?3 Things I have not understood about OSU this year:
3 Things I have not understood about OSU this year:Jeebis you're killing me don't sound like the critics on the death star board.1st off all three of those guys couldn't stay healthy together on the field for the past 2 yrs.So take one of the plugs and keep them into block.From the footage I've seen he's more accomplished at what he sets out to do than the HC or QB even if they are nice guys.When the RBs actually get set in the backfield Dallan is so much quicker it's really not close.If he portals they'll break the servers at 11W or Bucknuts in schadenfreude kind a way I almost wish he does
3) TreVeyon getting hurt and Hayden not being a bigger part of the offense instead of Miyan and Trayanum. Those two aren't bad by any means, but Dallan looks like his ceiling is high. My only question is does he not have great hands or not block as well?
Jeebis you're killing me don't sound like the critics on the death star board.1st off all three of those guys couldn't stay healthy together on the field for the past 2 yrs.So take one of the plugs and keep them into block.lol. Please elaborate because that's going straight over my head and I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Henderson, Trayunum and Williams all gone after this season.Why would Williams and Trayanum leave?
Henderson, Trayunum and Williams all gone after this season.My perception (could be wrong) is that Hayden doesn't have the breakaway speed that Henderson has. Functionally, what that means is that when Hayden gets behind the defense it is maybe a 25-40 yard run, when Henderson gets behind the defense it is a TD.
Leaves only Haden and Pryor ( highly recruited, but injured with knee and Achilles up until now so unproven.)
Great running back recruits coming in next year, but they wanted to red shirt Hayden.
My prediction is you will see plenty of him in their bowl game and he will be there featured back next year.
11 Warriors if you lay down any contructive criticism and you hear the same lame laments "oh you don't know more than the coach" and "he'll get his turn if he waits" well he's in his 2nd season already.All this after they guy puts up similar numbers,stays healthy and most certainly passes the eye test.And rose to the occasion and put like 5 ypc avg when behind the 1st team - it's maddeningI definitely get that and while I hate the coaching staff knows more, sometimes they get it wrong and the eye test says different. Early on, that was my biggest gripe with Harbaugh. I thought he and the staff got the QB situation wrong very often and consistently were starting the wrong guy. Thankfully, JJ has made that a non-issue, but it's certainly frustrating as a fan when it comes up and seems blatant.
I don't want to speak for Nubbz, but I took his stance (and I share a similar) that Hayden should have gotten the additional snaps that Henderson got, not that he should have replaced Henderson. He'll correct me if he believes different for sure :)
So then look at the Michigan game: Henderson ended up with 19 for 60 (3.2 avg) with a long of just 8. That is not great but credit to Michigan they've got a pretty good rushing defense. I think Day specifically likes the homerun threat and I can't completely disagree. Henderson's long TD against Notre Dame was huge. In a close game like this last one, one long TD would likely have been the difference. I understand that Henderson didn't hit one in The Game but those are the breaks. He could have and if he had, the end result probably flips. If Hayden is in instead and if Hayden is slightly better on the non-breakaway plays, what difference does it make?
I can see both sides. Maybe the only difference is that Ohio State gets a couple more first downs? Maybe the FG becomes a TD and we lose 28-30 instead of 24-30? OTOH, maybe the extra fraction of a yard per play gets us in better rhythm, keeps multiple drives alive, forces M to commit more defenders to the line, and we win going away. Henderson hitting a homerun almost certainly would have flipped the game and I think they just kept feeding him and hoping it would happen.
One carry makes a huge difference. As noted above, in the Michigan game Henderson had 19 for 60 (3.2 avg). In the Notre Dame game he had 14 for 104 (7.4 avg). That is a huge difference. Henderson had more than twice the YPC against ND that he had against M but note that it was ALL on one play. Take away the 61 yard TD against Notre Dame and his other carries were 13 for 43 (3.3 avg). Excluding the homerun Henderson's YPC were almost identical against M and ND.
My perception (could be wrong) is that Hayden doesn't have the breakaway speed that Henderson has. Functionally, what that means is that when Hayden gets behind the defense it is maybe a 25-40 yard run, when Henderson gets behind the defense it is a TD.Late in the year Dallan was the deal breaker last season,he hit the hole and gets to the the 2nd level QUIKER.I was sent the video vs Maryland where twice he split the seam going between numerous would be tacklers.It's his instincts just making the right cuts.Vs Georgia he avg 4.8 ypc Williams had 2.7,Xavier had 4.7 ,Henderson did not play.Last season had Henderson at 5.3 ypc,Hayden at 5.0,Williams 6.4 and Traynum 6.1.Many times he got in with the subs.But he definitely get things going
Brown should have gotten in also just to shake things upThis, the QB situation in general is my bigger concern.
Pessimistically wouldn't most average CFB QB's look pretty good throwing to Harrison and Egbuka?This is the common question in my OSU circle. Marvin would make anyone look good. Reminds me of watching someone as a kid that wore scarlet and gray named Eddie at RB. Some guys are so talented, no matter what they wear, you have to be in awe and enjoy watching them play.
McCord was a higher rated recruit that Harrisonhah, apparently Chubba Purdy was a higher ranked recruit than his brother Brock
McCord was a higher rated recruit that HarrisonYou just blew my mind
You just blew my mindyeah kinda crazy, although MHJR was a top 100 recruit I believe.
yeah kinda crazy, although MHJR was a top 100 recruit I believe.
Looking back, seems like a miss. How was this guy not a OMERRRG 5 STARZZZZ top 5 type ‘croot?
Fleming was the can’t miss WR recruit. I think he was a #1 or 2 overall recruit in the country.Accurate. Give Michigan coaching staff a lot of Credit here. They could see on passing downs that the Ohio State linebackers were dropping quite way back. That’s great for preventing big plays down field, but Michigan took advantage by hitting Colston Loveland underneath quite a few times
Marv looks so dang effortless on the field. Reminds me of Moss. Looks like he is going 80%, but still blowing by guys.
I came away from Saturday thinking the Buckeye D Line was waaay better than I had anticipated. But the LB’s opposite
McCord is not bad. He's a pretty good B1G QB. He's just not elite. Not sure he ever will be. And that's OK.Of course when you lose “the game” everybody in town wants to murder the coach in the quarterback.
1st rd NFL QB's like the CJ Stroud's, Justin Fields', and Dwayne Haskins' (RIP) don't grow on trees. Even though it seemed like it for like 5-6 years there at Ohio State.
McCord is solid, good QB, but it's pretty obvious to me that Ryan Day made a mistake taking him over JJ McCarthy.I was very impressed by JJ in the game.
McCarthy is just more talented and a much better athlete. It'd be scary to see what he could become in that system being coached by Ryan Day and throwing to those WR's. Jeem's system isn't very QB friendly and while Michigan has great RB's and TE's- their WR's are kinda meh outside Roman Wilson who I think is very good- but still nowhere near MHJR or even Emeka Egbuka.
McCord was a higher rated recruit that HarrisonYou sure about that? Never trust the ratings
McCord is solid, good QB, but it's pretty obvious to me that Ryan Day made a mistake taking him over JJ McCarthy.If he was under center at UM that's not how you would describe him. I've read your descriptions of M QBs who weren't up to snuff .He just doesn't have it,many times when he hasn't been pressured he still throws like he feels it - gun shy if you will.Good Kid I blame DAY,he needs to take a pay cut,he hasn't earned 10.4 sorry,not sorry
You sure about that? Never trust the ratingsI was shocked too. So i had to go look. This is by state of PA. The bottom picture is Marvin's profile.. He was ranked 160 nationally a 21 at his position. Needless to say, those aren't a perfect science and can be very wrong. Just put 1's as his updated numbers across the board. He will get drafted #2 in the NFL draft. I personally would pass on Caleb Williams, but I also don't want to see Marvin go to the bears. I think he will happily land in Arizona and be a star so big that Bears fans will ask how their organization just continues to miss.
Whoa. McCord in the portal?Can’t blame him. The abuse from the fan base has been out of control in these last few weeks.
McRhule is interestedHe should be.
Not sure what to make of it. Clearly, Ryan Day wouldn't commit to him publicly and likely said that to him privately too. The insider rumors have always talked about OSU might think they have a Dude in Lincoln Kienholz, so there is that. However, insider rumors are often bunk, so maybe it's just as simple as Day wouldn't commit to him and he wasn't going to commit to the Buckeyes. I guess we'll see how OSU feels by how strongly they go after someone in the portal.Yes it is kind of curious isn’t it.
Ohio State Safety Kye Stokes to enter the transfer portal with 3 years of eligibility remaining.Another kid who looked so promising- but got passed up by multiple underclassmen.
https://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/mass_exodus_from_ohio_state_continues_as_another_defensive_back_enters_transfer_portal/s1_17068_39621777 (https://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/mass_exodus_from_ohio_state_continues_as_another_defensive_back_enters_transfer_portal/s1_17068_39621777)
That's the bitch of it like alot 4-5*s have the ability but not the instincts.The offensive line at times has been erratic but he always seems to be looking over his shoulder or pressuring himself.Still would have liked to see Day go to the bull pen.Ya need a a devil may care,loose swashbuckling type under center and Kyle just hasn't developed with experience
McCord can throw a beautiful, NFL caliber, pass quite often. But if you watched the film study from the Michigan game, he failed to see open receivers, often and challenging for a touchdown. Many times. day dialed up some clever pass patterns in the second half once they figured out the complex scheme, Michigan was running. But McCord didn’t pick up some of the deeper open guys
That's the bitch of it like alot 4-5*s have the ability but not the instincts.The offensive line at times has been erratic but he always seems to be looking over his shoulder or pressuring himself.Still would have liked to see Day go to the bull pen.Ya need a a devil may care,loose swashbuckling type under center and Kyle just hasn't developed with experienceThis is a weird new world.
Good luck to him where ever he lands,I wouldn't call him one of the "biggest" prizes. He is basically Stanely Jackson w/o the ability to run many of us would be just as surprised if he cures the happy feet and consitency problemsHey now Stanley Jackson is my neighbor
Julian Fleming also in the portal. Makes sense, he never got close to his recruiting hype and could use a new experience.This one I don't get. With Harrison and Egbuka moving on to Sunday ball, Fleming would be at least WR2.
This one I don't get. With Harrison and Egbuka moving on to Sunday ball, Fleming would be at least WR2.Makes total sense to me. He’s one hell of a blocker, but he hast to increase his NFL potential profile and he has one year left. he can go somewhere else and be the number one target.
This one I don't get. With Harrison and Egbuka moving on to Sunday ball, Fleming would be at least WR2.Sure, but feels like we've been saying that about him for three years
Hey now Stanley Jackson is my neighborWhile I'd rather have that than being under center on your team
Not sure if any posts on this2024 recruiting thread is readily available for use.
Buckeye cheaterz…😂😂😂. Nice try.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨 | BREAKING: Ohio State Coach Brian Hartline is being accused of tampering with 5🌟 Jeremiah Smith<br><br>Smith is the #1 Overall Player in the Nation & has been committed to the Buckeyes for a year. However, he's left the door open for 1 other school - Florida State.<br><br>It's confirmed… <a href="https://t.co/Qd7YvVbvho">pic.twitter.com/Qd7YvVbvho</a></p>— Blue Bloods Bias (@bluebloodsbias) <a href="https://twitter.com/bluebloodsbias/status/1733278746977951851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Buckeye cheaterz…The Losers Down South need to cheat to get 5* WR's....sad
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨 | BREAKING: Ohio State Coach Brian Hartline is being accused of tampering with 5🌟 Jeremiah Smith<br><br>Smith is the #1 Overall Player in the Nation & has been committed to the Buckeyes for a year. However, he's left the door open for 1 other school - Florida State.<br><br>It's confirmed… <a href="https://t.co/Qd7YvVbvho">pic.twitter.com/Qd7YvVbvho</a></p>— Blue Bloods Bias (@bluebloodsbias) <a href="https://twitter.com/bluebloodsbias/status/1733278746977951851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The Losers Down South need to cheat to get 5* WR's....sadThey won’t need to in the future- once they produce a first round WR…….oh…wait….😂
Time to start a 2024 Ohio State Offseason Thread, guys. 2023 season is over.I was going to that but couldn't let Fearless get in the last word. I guess I'll do it now