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Topic: ~2024 MLB Thread~

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #644 on: July 09, 2024, 02:14:01 AM »
Nothing os more frustrating than a team whose preseason expectations are based on overachieving in a short sample size postseason, rather than thearge sample size regular season.  That has been the story of most of MSU basketballs "disappointing" teams.  That it turns out they were whonthey were for 35 games over 4+ months.  Not who they were for 2 weekends in March.
It's not like AZ was picked to win the NL West or anything. 
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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #645 on: July 09, 2024, 02:17:28 AM »
Idk where else to put this....


I created some old teams for Whoa Nellie and the linemen tended to be a similar height/weight as some of the RBs.  It's as if there was little physical variation and everyone was about 6 ft tall and 200 lbs.  
So maybe if you were a lil faster, you might be a back or end, and if you were a lil stronger, you'd play line.

That height/weight (6', 200) is about what the average is for position players in MLB.

So football linemen from the 50s-60s-and into the 70s were about the same size as baseball players today.  I just thought that was interesting.  
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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #646 on: July 09, 2024, 08:59:06 AM »
football linemen from the 50s-60s-and into the 70s were not lifting weights

today's baseball players are
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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #647 on: July 09, 2024, 07:45:29 PM »
Jose Ramirez has all the trademarks of a dude that should just piss me off, but for some reason he doesn't.

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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #648 on: July 09, 2024, 07:50:17 PM »
He's the most invisible top-5 player over the course of a decade guy maybe ever.  

The case could be made, anyway.
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« Reply #649 on: July 09, 2024, 08:47:18 PM »
He's the most invisible top-5 player over the course of a decade guy maybe ever. 

The case could be made, anyway.
So over the past decade he is #6 in WAR among position players, behind Betts, Trout, Lindor, Freeman and Altuve.  I think you can argue he's top 5 considering how high Lindor's defensive WAR is, based on position.

Going back decade one year at a time, searching for guys in the top 6 who would be "surprising"
Josh Donaldson #6 from 2013-22
Russell Martin #2 from 2007-16 (#5 from 2006-15)
David Wright #4 from 2005-14 (#6 from 2004-13)
Lance Berkman #6 from 2002-11, 2001-10, and 2000-09
Jim Edmonds #6 from 1997-2006 and 1996-2005

I went a decade back, and there is nobody even borderline, so I'm not looking any further.  I think the all time WAR leaderboards favor recent players, because they played in an era where we taught the effiencies that WAR values.  But the top players are always the top players, and honestly, the farther back you go, the more it aligns with what you think.  Jim Edmonds was the last "surprising" player, but a decade prior (1986-1995), here is your leaderboard.  I stopped when I found someone I didn't consider an all time great.  So WAR may have its issues generation to generation, but the greatest players have always been the greatest by any metric.  And actually there are fewer "computer trickers" in an era where dudes just played

  • Barry Bonds
  • Wade Boggs
  • Rickey Henderson
  • Cal Ripken Jr.
  • Ozzie Smith
  • Tony Gwynn
  • Barry Larkin
  • Fred McGriff
  • Paul Molitor
  • Will Clark
  • Kirby Puckett
  • Ryne Sandburg
  • Ken Griffey Jr.
  • Lou Whitaker
  • Lenny Dykstra
  • Tim Raines
  • Frank Thomas
  • Rafael Palmeiro
  • Alan Trammell
  • Andy Van Slyke

I love me some Andy Van Slyke, and being #20 in that period is awesome, and appropriate.  But the 19 guys above him all HOFers

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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #650 on: July 11, 2024, 03:07:03 PM »
Cleveland finally has the offense, and their starting rotation is a mess of injuries and underperformance.

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« Reply #651 on: July 19, 2024, 10:54:18 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #652 on: July 20, 2024, 09:44:52 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #654 on: July 24, 2024, 08:19:25 AM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #655 on: July 31, 2024, 02:16:57 PM »

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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #656 on: August 01, 2024, 10:16:45 AM »
I hate to say it, but the Sox are doomed until new ownership is in place and moves the team.

I was in Clearwater in 1988 for my honeymoon (that marriage didn't work out) and we were at a store that was selling "Florida White Sox" baseball caps. I bought two of them and still have them to this day.

At the 11th hour Governor Jim Thompson came up with a deal to keep them in Chicago. I was happy.

Now, I wish it happened. 

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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #657 on: August 01, 2024, 10:25:43 AM »
Isn't that what Tropicana was originally built for?  To lure the Sox

 

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