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Topic: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread

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ELA

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #154 on: September 20, 2023, 09:04:59 AM »
Scottie Hazelton wasn't with him at Colorado, he had been part of Bohl/Kliemann at NDSU, Wyoming, Kansas State.  That was the one hire I liked, never liked Johnson.

He hasn't worked.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #155 on: September 20, 2023, 09:37:03 AM »
Who agreed to give Mel his 10 year $95 million contract?  They should resign or be fired as well.
that contract was always nuts. Kenneth Walker III got him that money. If I'm KWIII, I'm suing Mel right now for getting fired with cause and not giving him a commission on that $80 mil Mel was owed plus the $15 m's they already paid.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #156 on: September 20, 2023, 09:59:08 AM »
he might be too young and inexperienced, but more I am actually starting to think about it Brian Hartline might make a ton of sense. He is as good of a recruiter as there is in the entire country, definitely way up in that upper tier and he knows the B1G extremely well. 

it's a bit risky, but the upside is really high, plus he's not geriatric like some of the others mentioned in this thread. he'll be able to land highly rated QBs, RBs, and WRs- for sure. Building out the staff, game-day management, player development, dealing with donors/NIL, managing a roster and the portal- no way to have a real clue on that bc he's never done any of it. But if the single most important part is recruiting- well he'll nail that out of the freaking park. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #157 on: September 20, 2023, 10:08:05 AM »
Sean Lewis - OC at Colorado. Former Kent State HC. Played for King Barry, and like Tucker, would be another former Badger player plucked away from Colorado.

Any more appetite for that?
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #158 on: September 20, 2023, 10:13:51 AM »
Sean Lewis - OC at Colorado. Former Kent State HC. Played for King Barry, and like Tucker, would be another former Badger player plucked away from Colorado.

Any more appetite for that?
that would be a god awful hire, much like Mel was. he's a sub. 500 coach at Kent State in 5 years and never had a winning season. He left Kent State after going 5-7 last year to go ride Deion and his kids coattails instead of sticking around and getting fired.

the only thing he's proven is that he's not a very good head coach. and like Mel, he's a sub .500 coach that doesn't know the B1G and flat out won't be able to recruit at a high level.

I'd much rather hire the geriatric proven head coach if I'm MSU (Leopold) or take a chance on a young fresh coach that knows the league inside and out and can recruit his ass off with major upside like Hartline.

Might as well blow up the god damn program if they hire Sean Lewis.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #159 on: September 20, 2023, 10:23:02 AM »
I like Sean Lewis a lot more than a lot of other coaches named.  Certainly not #1, but probably top 5.  Him and Hartline are the only non-HCs I'd consider.

He had a pair of .500 seasons, making him the first head coach to do that at Kent State since Dennis Fitzgerald in 1976 and 1977.  They were .500 4 times in the next 40 years.

I'm not saying he's great, but I would judge him more against the standard at Kent State.  I'm more concerned that the Golden Flashes were picked to finish dead last in the MAC this year, which doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his roster building.  Granted I know Penn State poached their best player through the portal.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #160 on: September 20, 2023, 10:25:41 AM »
He is probably too old now, but I always thought Phil Parker would make a good head coach for MSU.  Former all Big Ten DB for MSU, now the DC for Iowa. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #161 on: September 20, 2023, 10:27:07 AM »
Mike Bobo ...:)

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #162 on: September 20, 2023, 10:44:38 AM »
I like Sean Lewis a lot more than a lot of other coaches named.  Certainly not #1, but probably top 5.  Him and Hartline are the only non-HCs I'd consider.

He had a pair of .500 seasons, making him the first head coach to do that at Kent State since Dennis Fitzgerald in 1976 and 1977.  They were .500 4 times in the next 40 years.

I'm not saying he's great, but I would judge him more against the standard at Kent State.  I'm more concerned that the Golden Flashes were picked to finish dead last in the MAC this year, which doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his roster building.  Granted I know Penn State poached their best player through the portal.
yeah, I don't know. I feel like Michigan State should be able to do A LOT better than Sean Lewis. He should be nowhere near the top 5 imo. I'm not hiring a small ball coach if I'm MSU unless said dude won vs the small ball. Think: Urban Meyer. Think: Brian Kelly. Think: Jim Tressel. Sub .500 in the MAC ain't good enough. If he can't flip that situation in 5 years in the minors and have them winning 9-10 games in a season at least once and winning that conference at least once- what makes anyone think he can do it when he steps up to the big leagues where it's just going to be WAY harder to do. He's going to have go up against USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, Washington, UCLA for recruits and trying to beat them on the field- not Toledo, Akron, Buffalo, and Ball State.


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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #163 on: September 20, 2023, 11:00:36 AM »
yeah, I don't know. I feel like Michigan State should be able to do A LOT better than Sean Lewis. He should be nowhere near the top 5 imo. I'm not hiring a small ball coach if I'm MSU unless said dude won vs the small ball. Think: Urban Meyer. Think: Brian Kelly. Think: Jim Tressel. Sub .500 in the MAC ain't good enough. If he can't flip that situation in 5 years in the minors and have them winning 9-10 games in a season at least once and winning that conference at least once- what makes anyone think he can do it when he steps up to the big leagues where it's just going to be WAY harder to do. He's going to have go up against USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, Washington, UCLA for recruits and trying to beat them on the field- not Toledo, Akron, Buffalo, and Ball State.
Yeah, if you're gonna get a Kent State guy, probably better to get the guy who took them from 5-7 (4-4) to 11-3 (8-0) in only two years. 

I hear he's available, too. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #164 on: September 20, 2023, 11:03:58 AM »
He is probably too old now, but I always thought Phil Parker would make a good head coach for MSU.  Former all Big Ten DB for MSU, now the DC for Iowa.
He's 60 with zero head coaching experience.  Also, his dad was DC at MSU under Perles, and there were always rumors that there was some bad blood there, in the way that staff was pushed out.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #165 on: September 20, 2023, 11:04:53 AM »
If you are going to look to the MAC, hiring the guy who just has everything lined up for one great season, seems to be a proven failure. The EMU coach has actually built that into a respectable program, from what was arguably the worst FBS program in the country

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #166 on: September 20, 2023, 11:17:02 AM »
If you are going to look to the MAC, hiring the guy who just has everything lined up for one great season, seems to be a proven failure. The EMU coach has actually built that into a respectable program, from what was arguably the worst FBS program in the country
Sounds a little like Leipold.
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« Reply #167 on: September 20, 2023, 12:37:21 PM »
Sounds a little like Leipold.
Yes, but 6 years younger, however no P5 experience

 

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