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Topic: 2023 Michigan Season Thread

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SuperMario

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2255 on: November 22, 2023, 04:19:12 PM »
https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2023/11/jj-mccarthys-beef-with-michigans-sign-stealing-scandal-will-sound-funny-to-ohio-state-football-fans-jimmy-watkins.html?outputType=amp
A great example why it's a huge empty building on Tiedeman Rd.

If you are JJ McCarthy and have done everything you can to reach your dreams, it would be heartbreaking and frustrating. Even more difficult at that age, when your expectation is the people around you should be the example of doing things the right way. He doesn't blame anyone else. He simply says if you were in his shoes, you'd be frustrated and believe that it's been the hard work and dedication that lead to success he has experienced. 

It's yet to be known if that is the truth, but bashing the kid in a very frustrating situation is weak. Saying he didn't deserve any success is weak


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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2257 on: November 22, 2023, 04:50:45 PM »
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/the-situational/2023/11/143036/the-situational-americas-team

Great writer.  Love his stufff. 
Read that one a little while ago.  

Do any neutral or M fans see any cracks in Ramzy's logic vis-a-vis the Connor Stalions lookalike on the CMU sideline?  

Ramzy's logic is that it absolutely was Connor Stalions and the proof is that if it wasn't, CMU would have quashed this story a long time ago by simply saying "Oh no, that is Larry."  Thus, we "know" that it was Connor Stalions by virtue of the "dog that didn't bark" because if it wasn't, CMU would have spoken up.  

As an aside, CMU could be in a boatload of trouble.  Given the NCAA's track record would anyone be shocked if the NCAA gave CMU the death penalty for allowing a Michigan coach onto their sideline while giving Michigan some slap on the wrist such as a two year bowl ban, some scholarship reductions, and vacating only the wins where it can be demonstrably proven that Michigan used signals obtained through Stalions' scheme?  

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2258 on: November 23, 2023, 05:53:52 PM »
A great example why it's a huge empty building on Tiedeman Rd.

If you are JJ McCarthy and have done everything you can to reach your dreams, it would be heartbreaking and frustrating. Even more difficult at that age, when your expectation is the people around you should be the example of doing things the right way. He doesn't blame anyone else. He simply says if you were in his shoes, you'd be frustrated and believe that it's been the hard work and dedication that lead to success he has experienced.

It's yet to be known if that is the truth, but bashing the kid in a very frustrating situation is weak. Saying he didn't deserve any success is weak
If JJ doesn't like it he should ask his coaches for a meeting and point out to them that the industrial-scale cheating scheme that they either engaged in or turned a blind eye to is troubling him. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2259 on: November 23, 2023, 06:19:01 PM »
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Well, well, well. What do we have here? Would be interesting to look into ticket purchase history or security footage from certain games.....<br>Does <a href="https://twitter.com/ryandaytime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ryandaytime</a> know about this? Does Ohio State have a Vast Network too? I think some already have the answers....… <a href="https://t.co/beEOe0AvIS">pic.twitter.com/beEOe0AvIS</a></p>&mdash; MichiganNation2 (@MichiganNation2) <a href="
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2260 on: November 23, 2023, 07:29:28 PM »
Hail to the victims vacuums
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2261 on: November 23, 2023, 10:17:22 PM »
If JJ doesn't like it he should ask his coaches for a meeting and point out to them that the industrial-scale cheating scheme that they either engaged in or turned a blind eye to is troubling him.


https://twitter.com/CKicks0/status/1727739173216440707/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1727739173216440707&currentTweetUser=CKicks0

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2262 on: November 23, 2023, 10:40:10 PM »

https://twitter.com/CKicks0/status/1727739173216440707/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1727739173216440707&currentTweetUser=CKicks0
I saw that and I don't disagree with what Klatt is saying but note that Klatt states that it is and advantage. The question is how big and, more specifically to the 2022 edition of The Game, was it decisive?

We could argue about that for 100 pages but neither of us could ever prove one way or the other. That is the point. That result will always be under a cloud of suspicion because we can't undo what Michigan did. 

FWIW:
I think it probably did make a decisive difference in 2022 but not 2021. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2263 on: November 24, 2023, 08:17:13 AM »
That’s is the most lame and irrelevant part of the conversation.  “ how much did it impact the game”?

It’s like pulling over a drunk driver who was driving “ ok” and their defense being “ I was driving decently and didn’t hurt anyone “.  And then having all of the parties in court be discussing that aspect of it as opposed to the actual law which was broken.  And- finding out that the driver drove drunk consistently , every Saturday night for 2 years.

Or, using a golf analogy:

On the PGA tour, it is against the rules to use handheld laser devices to measure yardages. 

Caddies ARE allowed to pre walk the course with the range finder, measure any yardage between any point and the flag, and even take notes and use them in actual tournament play.

so we find out that Scotty Scheffler, who has been one of the hottest golfers over the last three years, was using the handheld laser device during the tournaments. 

But instead of having conversations about the integrity issue, and clear rule, breaking, everybody’s talking about whether or not, it made a difference in his victories. ( this is the EVERYBODY DOES IT part)

Fricken stupid. 
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2264 on: November 24, 2023, 08:26:19 AM »
I agree, if the information was used once in any game, it's very damning, to me.  Whether it made a difference in beating Purdue is not relevant, to me.

It's interesting how much of a penalty it is today to set aside wins.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2265 on: November 24, 2023, 01:13:46 PM »
Yeah comparing it to drunk driving is almost remotely the same life impact.  For some on here if you aren’t saying Harbaugh is a terrible person and Michigan is nothing but cheaters, you’re just plain stupid. Thank goodness for the majority of reasonable people that can discuss it without a difference of opinion equaling the other side is a bunch of idiots.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2266 on: November 24, 2023, 01:22:32 PM »
Comparing breaking a rule where nobody is hurt to breaking a rule where 
The claim is “ nobody was hurt”. ( it didn’t give an advantage bla bla) is a very appropriate comparison.   

And that claim- that doing something clearly against the rules should be overlooked if nobody was hurt- is not a credible position.  I doubt many here could disagree with that.  

And nowhere in that post is Harbaugh even mentioned.  
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2267 on: November 24, 2023, 01:35:59 PM »

And that claim- that doing something clearly against the rules should be overlooked if nobody was hurt- is not a credible position.  I doubt many here could disagree with that. 

Where is anyone claiming a rule should be overlooked because nobody was hurt?

the Position Klatt took is we should not minimize it, but the more you think it impacted the outcome, the less you know about football. 

 

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