2023 Michigan Season Thread

[medinabuckeye1]

what’s interesting is Michigan winning Saturday destroys so many arguments. Big stake on both sides for this outcome.

I want to isolate this paragraph and (mostly) agree with you.

Look everyone, @SuperMario and @medinabuckeye1 medinabuckeye1 agreeing during hate week!

I will clarify my agreement:
I think the outcome this year will have a big impact on how the rest of CFB views this thing. For tOSU and M fans, not so much. 

[MikeDeTiger]

not disputing anything. was not talking about that at all.

was talking about how psycho OSU fans are and the pressure that is on Cryin' Ryan aka Born on 3rd Base.

And yes, you are the one having a fantasy if you don't think Day is in serious trouble if he loses THE GAME this weekend.

Homeboy's seat will be flaming hot in '24 if he loses this weekend. And if he loses in '24 by some miracle- which he shouldn't- he should be the heavy favorite at home- but IF HE DOES lose this weekend and then loses in '24 at home.....there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired. And if he somehow doesn't get fired....in '25 his ass will be coaching for his job in THE GAME and it's 100% he'd get fired if he lost that one.

That would be quite a mistake. 

[Temp430]

That would be quite a mistake.

If Ohio State loses there's better than a 50% chance Day is fired on Sunday.  Some Buckeye fans like Urban Meyer say he'll be fired for sure.

[Honestbuckeye]

I want to isolate this paragraph and (mostly) agree with you.

Look everyone, @SuperMario and @medinabuckeye1 medinabuckeye1 agreeing during hate week!

I will clarify my agreement:
I think the outcome this year will have a big impact on how the rest of CFB views this thing. For tOSU and M fans, not so much.

I disagree.  Saturday’s outcome doesn’t prove a thing- either way. 

last year’s game was a completely different set of teams for both sides. 

I’m not saying, the cheating was the reason one side, one or Lost 

football is a game of momentum. If one team had the other teams, play, Call, even one time through illegal means, at a crucial time in the game, it could completely tilt the field and changed the longer term outcome. 
and that is a question, that is a credible question, and that is the point 

if Ohio State were to win, it would not prove anything about last year‘s game.  Michigan wins, which is my expectation. It doesn’t prove anything about last year’s game. 

different teams, different players, different stadiums, different momentum, etc. etc. etc.

[SuperMario]

I want to isolate this paragraph and (mostly) agree with you.

Look everyone, @SuperMario and @medinabuckeye1 medinabuckeye1 agreeing during hate week!

I will clarify my agreement:
I think the outcome this year will have a big impact on how the rest of CFB views this thing. For tOSU and M fans, not so much.

Ha. I very much agree. Those two fan bases will firmly be on the extreme on each side l, with the truth being somewhere closer to the middle, yet possibly closer to one side.

If OSU wins, the OsU megaphone will get louder lol and likely solidify Harbaugh to the NFL.

[TyphonInc]

So let me get this straight. There’s absolutely no facts that Ryan Day and his PI brother were not involved and he’s a saint that turned in cheaters.

That (Day and PI brother) was a Troll podcast by Zack Smith (potty mouth, scum bag ex-OSU coach,) and was not based on any actual evidence. Poor TCUN fans grabbed onto it hook, line, and sinker and Smith got to go viral.

The only investigative firm I've seen documented (besides the FBI) is U.S. Integrity the Vegas-based firm whose job is to make sure games gambled on are legitimate and not influenced by illegal means.  

[Honestbuckeye]

If Ohio State loses there's better than a 50% chance Day is fired on Sunday.  Some Buckeye fans like Urban Meyer say he'll be fired for sure.

On this one, you can only dream. There’s a 0% chance of that happening. 

56-6.  3CFP Appearances.  Best record of all active coaches against ranked teams.

And here is the part that you’re just not getting:
Because of what Michigan has been caught doing, the overwhelming majority of the fan base has now given him a pass on the last two years. 

Lastly- He’s going on the road as an underdog.   I would give him a plus for his coaching job this season, regardless of what happened Saturday. This was his best coaching job by far   

[medinabuckeye1]

In the 1990’s, running into early 2000’s, Ohio state couldn’t beat Michigan. They hired a guy that had connections with many donors. Suddenly, the team brings in higher level talent and start winning. CHEATERS. Proven because NCAA sanctions and he lost his job.

and here’s the upcoming response. Not proven not the same because it didn’t impact in game results and decisions. It’s just different.

First:
Completely irrelevant to the current issue of Michigan's covert sign stealing operation.

Second:
Cooper never lacked for talent after his first few years. The 1993-2000 Ohio State teams had LOTS of talent and Tressel started beating Michigan and won an NC largely with guys Cooper brought in.

Third:
Tressel got caught failing to disclose knowledge of impermissible benefits and got fired.

Fourth:
If you want to go down the past transgressions rabbit hole just remember that your school beat mine in an Elite-Eight BB game by using a team with a payroll that rivaled some NBA teams. Guys trading Bowl swag for tattoos doesn't come close to Michigan's industrial-scale cheating.

[SuperMario]

If Ohio State loses there's better than a 50% chance Day is fired on Sunday.  Some Buckeye fans like Urban Meyer say he'll be fired for sure.

Buckeyes in my circle believe the same. I personally don’t, based on Day’s record outside that game, but there’s certainly some buckeye fans that would want him gone if they lose Saturday which is surprising to me.

[Temp430]

On this one, you can only dream. There’s a 0% chance of that happening.

56-6.  3CFP Appearances.  Best record of all active coaches against ranked teams.

And here is the part that you’re just not getting:
Because of what Michigan has been caught doing, the overwhelming majority of the fan base has now given him a pass on the last two years.

Lastly- He’s going on the road as an underdog.  I would give him a plus for his coaching job this season, regardless of what happened Saturday. This was his best coaching job by far 

I would call that motive for Day to do what I in my delusions think he did.  But please don't misunderstand me, I don't want to see Day fired.

[medinabuckeye1]

I disagree.  Saturday’s outcome doesn’t prove a thing- either way. 

last year’s game was a completely different set of teams for both sides. 

I’m not saying, the cheating was the reason one side, one or Lost 

football is a game of momentum. If one team had the other teams, play, Call, even one time through illegal means, at a crucial time in the game, it could completely tilt the field and changed the longer term outcome. 
and that is a question, that is a credible question, and that is the point 

if Ohio State were to win, it would not prove anything about last year‘s game.  Michigan wins, which is my expectation. It doesn’t prove anything about last year’s game. 

different teams, different players, different stadiums, different momentum, etc. etc. etc.

I agree with you, the outcome this year doesn't prove anything about last year. I didn't say it did. In my post I said it would impact the view of it. I wasn't talking about reality. I was talking about something much more important, perception.

[medinabuckeye1]

Buckeyes in my circle believe the same. I personally don’t, based on Day’s record outside that game, but there’s certainly some buckeye fans that would want him gone if they lose Saturday which is surprising to me.

There are nuts in every fanbase.

Even completely ignoring the Michigan cheating issue, you just don't fire a guy with Day's record. 

[ELA]

Yeah, I don't see how that changes anything.

This is Michigans best team of the past three years, and probably Ohio States worst, and the game is in Ann Arbor.  I would expect Michigan to win this game

[medinabuckeye1]

Yeah, I don't see how that changes anything.

This is Michigans best team of the past three years, and probably Ohio States worst, and the game is in Ann Arbor.  I would expect Michigan to win this game

FWIW:
I think this makes a Michigan win more excusable for tOSU than a tOSU win would be for Michigan. 

OTOH, Michigan's answer, should they lose, will be to blame it on distraction and suspension.