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Topic: 2023 Michigan Season Thread

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2058 on: November 17, 2023, 12:57:46 PM »
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2059 on: November 17, 2023, 01:39:38 PM »

https://twitter.com/b1g_ryan/status/1725569078520119379?s=46&t=zWP_jhKwEyS4iClKYT0_gg

Looks like it did not take long to figure out who was the booster ( Mr.T)
Who was funding Stalions advance, scouting/filming scheme
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2060 on: November 17, 2023, 01:41:05 PM »
Definitely a turn of events. It sounds like Big Ten agreed to end their part. The only question now is how quickly does NCAA take action as it clearly sounds like some additional pieces have come to light? a booster? another coach erasing computers? Not good. Reminds me of what ended the Tressel career at OSU. May be a similar result for Jim at Michigan. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2061 on: November 17, 2023, 01:42:18 PM »
https://www.si.com/college/2023/11/17/michigan-believed-deal-was-possible-to-reduce-harbaugh-suspension

This report says that the Big Ten was willing to negotiate the suspension down to two days before his other new shit hit the fan
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2062 on: November 17, 2023, 02:13:41 PM »
Is this scouting violation considered a "major" or "minor" violation under NCAA rules? Does anybody know?

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2063 on: November 17, 2023, 02:13:57 PM »
Angelique on ESPNU on Sirius/XM calling it a dumpster fire and says there will likely be “much” more uncovered. “Never imagined anything like this.” They are no longer defending themselves. They are doing damage control. “They learned something late Wednesday night.”
“Ono tweeted something he shouldn’t have.”
“They probably should have started damage control before this if they knew what they knew.”


Angelique Chengalis from the Detroit News.   Very respected and close to the program. 

I get the feeling we are not close to done yet.   
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2064 on: November 17, 2023, 02:14:38 PM »
Is this scouting violation considered a "major" or "minor" violation under NCAA rules? Does anybody know?
Major.  A breach of basic sportsmanship.  
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2065 on: November 17, 2023, 02:31:07 PM »
Boy those Sparty know how to dig up some shit.  

This is from “ Uncle T” the Michigan booster who is alleged to have funded Stalions illegal scouting.  Notice the date- right after they beat OSU in 21




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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2066 on: November 17, 2023, 02:33:02 PM »
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2067 on: November 17, 2023, 02:36:28 PM »
Boy those Sparty know how to dig up some shit. 

This is from “ Uncle T” the Michigan booster who is alleged to have funded Stalions illegal scouting.  Notice the date- right after they beat OSU in 21





Never piss off a bunch of internet trolls who hate you, and have no reason to care about their own program this year

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2068 on: November 17, 2023, 02:38:09 PM »
Never piss off a bunch of internet trolls who hate you, and have no reason to care about their own program this year
That is hilarious. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2069 on: November 17, 2023, 02:41:50 PM »
Boy those Sparty know how to dig up some shit. 

This is from “ Uncle T” the Michigan booster who is alleged to have funded Stalions illegal scouting.  Notice the date- right after they beat OSU in 21





So the money behind the operation literally bragged about it on a UM message board, and expressly called it a competitive advantage.  This might be the most bungled cover up of all .

Granted, there is like a 50% chance these are photoshopped.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2070 on: November 17, 2023, 03:44:22 PM »
A lot of this is still based on "sources", which of course can be correct.  I'll just wait longer, not that it matters to me.


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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2071 on: November 17, 2023, 03:53:09 PM »
So the money behind the operation literally bragged about it on a UM message board, and expressly called it a competitive advantage.  This might be the most bungled cover up of all .

Granted, there is like a 50% chance these are photoshopped.
I'm thinking this news, assuming it is true, isn't actually all that bad for Michigan.  I don't mean that it is good, but given what we already knew, this could be a lot worse.  Here is a list of plausible financing mechanisms that I have put in order from what I think would be best/least bad for Michigan up to what I think would be worst for Michigan:
  • Stalions' family is loaded (has been said here by @Temp430 I think) and he just paid it out of pocket.  This would be or would have been best for them because it minimizes outside involvement and increases the chances of the "lone wolf" defense carrying some water.  
  • Stalions got the money from a booster (the allegation today).  
  • Stalions got the money from another member of the Michigan Coaching Staff somewhere between himself and Harbaugh.  
  • Harbaugh paid for it.  This was always extremely unlikely.  
  • The University paid for it somehow.  This would be really bad but not quite as bad in the eyes of the NCAA as:
  • Stalions used the knowledge that M had stolen signs and was therefore likely to overperform to make bets on Michigan and used the proceeds from the successful bets to finance further sign stealing.  This would be the worst-case-scenario for Michigan because then it isn't just an NCAA violation, this would be fraud and likely federal wire fraud (because the sports book would be paid through a federal bank in an interstate transaction) which would entail a major FBI investigation into Stalions and anyone they could link to the scheme.  

A booster paying for it is more similar to the usual stuff that the NCAA deals with where a booster(s) pay for things that are impermissible.  From the Michigan perspective, #1 would have been better but this is WAY better than any of #3 through #6.  

Two more things on the money:
First, we've heard a figure of $15k tossed around.  I don't know how accurate that is but it sounds low to me.  Stalions allegedly had very good tickets to the 2021 and 2022 SECCG's plus a bunch of other high-dollar games including that he allegedly had not one but two tickets to the tOSU/PSU game (to film both sides' signals).  Just the tickets alone to the two SECCG's and the tOSU/PSU game would chew up a big chunk of that $15k.  

Second, even if it is twice, thrice, or four times that much it still isn't really all that much money in context.  The press has sometimes thrown that around like this was a major deal based on the expenditure of $15k, but realistically I was thinking all along that if the Stalions family is as loaded as was suggested and/or if one of Michigan's multi-hundred-thousand/year assistants wanted to do this, $15k isn't that much.  

 

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