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Topic: 2023 Michigan Season Thread

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ELA

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1820 on: November 13, 2023, 03:06:36 PM »
What we already know was already a violation of NCAA rules, all that's left to be determined is just how bad it was.

Like I said at the time, Michigan should be thankful for the Harbaugh suspension.  Everyone here said that just made them more confident UM was going to win.  He doesn't call plays, that was a big nothing burger.  Hell, if they had suspended him for everything BUT the games, that would be a worse penalty.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1821 on: November 13, 2023, 03:13:32 PM »
Again the problem is what went down last season after the 3rd  tunnel altercations over 7 home games and a brawl on the Field and MSU was made out to be the bad guys when M players not only instigated the thing but taunted them right up to the locker room door. But UZI Mazi Smith a Team Captain no less was pulled over arrested going 53 in a 25 thru Ann Arbor with no conceal carry license,a loaded Glock with a total of 3 clips and 65 slugs. All this is hidden until after the season


This is how depraved the U of M followers are.So a gun on campus,a felony charge for a zero tolerance institution. When there were posters around campus and Prosecutor Eli Savit proclamation "if you are driving with a gun illegally,you will go to jail.I am adamant about strict gun control policy. I will put you in prison". - I guess he forgot to add "unless you're the Captain for the UofM football team".And Mazi is allowed to continue to play football? Savit should have recused himself as his own selfies showed his office lined with Wolverine memorabilia. And he is a professor at U of M Law School - no,not a conflict of interest there at all.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1822 on: November 13, 2023, 03:17:01 PM »
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/the-big-ten/2023/11/142927/jim-harbaugh-plans-to-attend-michigan-big-ten-hearing-on-friday-calls-the-wolverines-americas-team

I can’t believe this is being debated.  

Now Harbaugh isn’t just playing the victim, like seemingly all of the Michigan fans are- he ( like he likes to do ) is flaunting it.   
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1823 on: November 13, 2023, 03:19:20 PM »
Again the problem is what went down last season after the 3rd straight tunnel altercations and a brawl on the Field and MSU was made out to be the bad guys when M players not only instigated the thing but taunted them right up to the locker room door. But UZI Mazi Smith a Team Captain no less was pulled over arrested going 53 in a 25 thru Ann Arbor with no conceal carry license,a loaded Glock with a total of 3 clips and 65 slugs. All this is hidden until after the season


This is how depraved the U of M followers are.So a gun on campus,a felony charge for a zero tolerance institution. When there were posters around campus and Prosecutor Eli Savit proclamation "if you are driving with a gun illegally,you will go to jail.I am adamant about strict gun control policy. I will put you in prison". - I guess he forgot to add "unless you're the Captain for the UofM football team".And Mazi is allowed to continue to play football? Savit should have recused himself as his own selfies showed his office lined with Wolverine memorabilia. And he is a professor at U of M Law School - no,not a conflict of interest there at all.
I'll never argue your take on this. Not in the least bit.. that being said, this happens nearly everywhere. If Michigan claims to be above this type of garbage, i would certainly call it out in a heartbeat. For multiple decades we have been a society that let athletes off on the collegiate, professional and in some areas at the high school level when they should have been punished for their actions. 

I certainly don't agree with it and it has always rubbed me the wrong way and Michigan has certainly been a part of that reality, like so many others. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1824 on: November 13, 2023, 03:25:04 PM »
But they walked and tressel was relieved for a lot less
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1825 on: November 13, 2023, 03:37:24 PM »
To me the biggest false narrative is this garbage about due process.  Any one who reads Pettiti’s 13 page report know that is simply a lie- intended to delay a bigger punishment

This additional evidence, including recorded interviews, photos, videos, and other documentation that had previously been provided to the University, confirms what the evidence already reviewed by the Conference makes clear: the University football team staff member engaged in an organized and extensive in-person, off campus advance scouting scheme, and that the staff member was in close communications with at least some of the coaches on the University’s football team. //This evidence also revealed significant new information from interviews that the University attended, information that is covered by confidentiality under the NCAA’s rules so as not discussed further here.//”

“Significant new information” that cannot be disclosed in the B1G letter due to confidentiality issues.


According to Petitti, the fact that the NCAA felt the need to inform the Big Ten about the investigation immediately underscored the severity of the allegations against Michigan, leading to the conference taking swift action against the Wolverines.”

"It is rare and outside the NCAA's typical protocols for the NCAA to disclose information about an active investigation to institutions other than the institution under investigation. However, the NCAA stated and believed that the disclosure was necessary due to the unprecedented scope of the then-alleged scheme, and because of the significant impact the impermissible scheme could have on competition during the current football season,"



So according to the commissioner-

-The evidence that impermissible activity, intended to gain an unfair competitive advantage for multiple seasons and with meticulously planned execution- is incontrovertible.  

- this evidence was presented in full to the University of Michigan president when they met in person with the commissioner.

-instead of showing contrition, and accountability, the Michigan brass started their PR campaign to blame others, stall, claim others are doing it, question the Big Ten’s authority to act, etc.   clearly a full blown attempt to change the narrative. They even attacked Pettiti on a personal level. They also delayed their response by a day and a half- thereby delaying the BIG’s response.  

So there is more to come  - as part of the legitimate due process- to determine if/ how much the coaches were involved.  

But the fact that this actually happened is established, and the Big did the minimal they could do.  

So due process is being allowed where needed- but over with respect to the impermissible activity.  

The letter makes it clear- the NCAA is coming hard after this because they see it as egregious, and they are coming faster than normal.  

And I will admit that this is my opinion, but I think it’s shared by many to say the least; this whole “Defense and clamoring about due process” by Michigan, where they don’t deny anything, it’s really there attempt to see if they can ensure the season plays out because they know the hammer is coming.   That’s what this all boils down to.  






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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1826 on: November 13, 2023, 03:39:57 PM »
But they walked and tressel was relieved for a lot less
not true. 

Tressel was fired because he played cover up and lied to the NCAA and to Ohio State AD and he only got caught red handed because the FEDs busted the drug trafficker that was giving Pryor & Co. free tats and cash for memorabilia. 

Drug trafficker never gets popped, Tressel’s lies never get uncovered and he’s Gucci and still coaching at Ohio State for at least a few more years. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1827 on: November 13, 2023, 03:48:34 PM »
put the pipe down jimmy covered up a felony gun charge then the University Law Professor who should have been disbarred for not recusing himself violated his own bombast Prosecutor Eli Savit proclamation "if you are driving with a gun illegally,you will go to jail.I am adamant about strict gun control policy. I will put you in prison". - I guess he forgot to add "unless you're the Captain for the UofM football team"

Does the new"U" treat you slappies like mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed shit?

and where is your link regarding this how was Tressel to know about the guy trafficing how about your hero Lewan covering for his date rapist buddy Brandan then threatening her if she came forward? PURE MICHIGAN
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1828 on: November 13, 2023, 04:26:58 PM »
They are doing due process.  It's rare that a scandal is so poorly covered up that you learn of it in real time.  This is the punishment based on what is KNOWN AND PROVABLE.  There will be further punishment for what is KNOWN and not yet provable.

I tend to not trust the NCAA in this stuff, but for them to actively reach out to the Big Ten, after they way UM peacocked around their other pending Level I violations, makes me think they did the one thing that would make the NCAA actually be forced to punish one of their golden gooses.  At this point, UM needs the tv networks to save them.  And yet they are calling for a ban on watching ESPN over the fact that they...checks notes...reported on it.  The only thing potentially saving UM from a postseason ban is ESPN being pissed about paying billions of dollars just to not have one of the 5 biggest draws pulled on a rule violation...


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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1829 on: November 13, 2023, 04:30:10 PM »
not true.

Tressel was fired because he played cover up and lied to the NCAA and to Ohio State AD and he only got caught red handed because the FEDs busted the drug trafficker that was giving Pryor & Co. free tats and cash for memorabilia.

Drug trafficker never gets popped, Tressel’s lies never get uncovered and he’s Gucci and still coaching at Ohio State for at least a few more years.
But...Harbaugh has already been popped (and is apparently still under investigation) for that level of infraction, completely unrelated to signgate.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1830 on: November 13, 2023, 04:36:51 PM »
But...Harbaugh has already been popped (and is apparently still under investigation) for that level of infraction, completely unrelated to signgate.
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1831 on: November 13, 2023, 04:55:00 PM »
Lastly.. where do you see Michigan as a University saying they're victims? From everything I've seen, they're unhappy about the rush to judgment without due process. That's not saying they're a victim, that's being annoyed by the lack of proper process that sets a dangerous precedent. Unless I missed the victim speeches.. which I'm certainly open to seeing them pointed out, not the 20 garbage tweets from clickbait people that posted over and over on this thread.
idk, all the arguments that the NCAA is just going after Harbaugh because they don't like him 'speaking truth to power' about NIL and such, and that the other B1G programs are trying to punish him/UM because they're jealous/scared of Michigan's success? I don't know if I've heard such from you, but I KNOW I have from both Mdot and Temp. 

Those statements seem to suggest that these are politically-motivated attacks on Michigan and some have argued that they're being unfairly and uniquely singled out for these things despite rulebreaking going on elsewhere. 

That to me screams victimhood. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1832 on: November 13, 2023, 04:57:29 PM »
But...Harbaugh has already been popped (and is apparently still under investigation) for that level of infraction, completely unrelated to signgate.
Also, Tressel wasn't fired. He resigned and he did so because there was written documentation from a former player to him outlining the benefits players were receiving that was uncovered and Tressel couldn't get around it.

Now if there's communication in writing that Harbaugh knew all the details about sign stealing he should resign or be fired immediately as well.

Lucky for Tressel and OSU, some of the most egregious forms of paying players has always been swept under the rug claiming it was for Tattoos and things of little value. Again, this is not deflecting or changing the story, but Michigan is not the only program that attempts to keep the focus on the minor areas of infractions so the extent of the violation isn't commonly known nor understood.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1833 on: November 13, 2023, 05:00:25 PM »
And bear in mind, I do know that Mdot's position isn't that Michigan are victims here. His is "f**k the panty-waisted NCAA b/c we're gonna do what the f**k we want, and f**k the other Big Ten loser programs who were too f**king stupid to be doing this too."

At least that's how I read him :57:

 

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