2023 Michigan Season Thread

[FearlessF]

there are more than a few conference coaches and ADs that think there is sufficient evidence

they are asking the Commissioner to act with penalties

they don't want to wait for eventually  

[Cincydawg]

I think "they" should gather more information and evidence, myself, before any penalties.

[FearlessF]

I think that's a lot of smoke

too much for no fire

[Cincydawg]

I tend to agree, but the evidence the UM coaches used the information is, as yet, speculative, and being denied.

I'd collect more evidence that Stalions was next to the OC/DC in games and UM seemed able to "call" opponent plays accurately, and perhaps get ahold of any sheets they had on them.  That video of an OSU sideline call that caused the UM bench to erupt was salient, get more of those.

[Honestbuckeye]

I think "they" should gather more information and evidence, myself, before any penalties.

Just my opinion.  Word is the Big asked the NCAA for the evidence they already have.  They took that to their meeting with UM brass.  This was after the letter UM prez wrote - which is all over the net- asking for due process to play out. 

According to multiple “ Michigan insiders” this evidence was “ overwhelming “ and new to UM brass.  I have no idea if true- or what that was.

One thing that seems obvious- based on what the other Schools have apparently provided.

That these tickets were purchased, these seats were filled, and the signal and matching plays were filmed/ recorded.  It’s been said to be 35 games over the 21,22, and this season.  And as both Nebraska and Purdue coaches have said- they have seen the video a receipts. 

That part of the investigation is likely over.  There is plenty of evidence out there to support this.  Video doesn’t lie. 

The part that is not- apparently- is who / if anyone on UM staff knew/ condoned/ signed off.  To my knowledge- nothing has been presented or leaked to implicate the other staff. 

What I find weird is - why go after Harbaugh now with that part of the investigation not complete?  On the other hand- why ask for “ due process “ when your major player ( Stalions) is not cooperating and therefore obstructing due process.

Again/ just an opinion here, but I am basing on what supposed UM insiders are saying.  UM feels like this years’ team is an excellent team and has a good shot at the big prize ( I agree), and they are doing everything they can to stall- even though they understand there is a likelihood these games in question will be vacated later when the NCAA is finished. Conversely- that’s why the other schools are applying so much pressure on the BIG to step in.  They feel it would hurt the conference in the end, and has already had a negative impact on their seasons, draft choices, brands, etc.  They feel allowing it to continue would be tantamount to blessing that illegal activity. 

[Temp430]

I tend to agree, but the evidence the UM coaches used the information is, as yet, speculative, and being denied.

I'd collect more evidence that Stalions was next to the OC/DC in games and UM seemed able to "call" opponent plays accurately, and perhaps get ahold of any sheets they had on them.  That video of an OSU sideline call that caused the UM bench to erupt was salient, get more of those.

Lol.  Stalions was one of several that would sign plays.  So yes, he’d stand next to the OC or DC.  Maybe even talk to them.  

[Honestbuckeye]

I tend to agree, but the evidence the UM coaches used the information is, as yet, speculative, and being denied.

I'd collect more evidence that Stalions was next to the OC/DC in games and UM seemed able to "call" opponent plays accurately, and perhaps get ahold of any sheets they had on them.  That video of an OSU sideline call that caused the UM bench to erupt was salient, get more of those.

I believe they have a ton of it.  I believe the other schools- who were directly asked by the NCAA to look for it as well as ticket receipts- have provided it.  I have seen quite a bit of it floating around online besides the one clip you referenced.

Lastly- even if you somehow believe he collected that info over 3 seasons ( which is documented) but it was never used( you would have to be pretty naive to believe that), it wouldn’t matter. It is against the rules.  It is a blatant violator the concept of integrity of the game. 

[SuperMario]

Again/ just an opinion here, but I am basing on what supposed UM insiders are saying.  UM feels like this years’ team is an excellent team and has a good shot at the big prize ( I agree), and they are doing everything they can to stall- even though they understand there is a likelihood these games in question will be vacated later when the NCAA is finished. Conversely- that’s why the other schools are applying so much pressure on the BIG to step in.  They feel it would hurt the conference in the end, and has already had a negative impact on their seasons, draft choices, brands, etc.  They feel allowing it to continue would be tantamount to blessing that illegal activity.

And if the other schools truly believe this, then they’re idiots. Their brands are impacted because of their play, not one single game. Draft picks aren’t impacted by one single game, outside of maybe injury. Those are all excuses of substandard performance over the course of a season or seasons. Purdue’s coach seemed to have a lot to say before the game and nothing after.

lastly, the rest of the conference(besides penn state) should be hoping that Ohio State v Michigan is two undefeated schools with this story continuing to swirl, with no action take yet. It would be one of the most watched games and one of the biggest college football stories possibly ever, especially if the Christopher Day involvement gains traction(if that’s even remotely true).

this sport has become about money, if the rest of the schools can’t see the positive impact it could have on money generation, then they truly are stupid trying to push for harsh penalties as fast as possible. Like it or not, crippling Michigan with punishment will send the conference in a further downward spiral at a time that may be unwise. Trust me, I don’t believe it’s “the right thing to do” from a moral and character side, but harming one of your helmet schools in this day in age will have far more impact than on solely that school.

[Honestbuckeye]

And if the other schools truly believe this, then they’re idiots. Their brands are impacted because of their play, not one single game. Draft picks aren’t impacted by one single game, outside of maybe injury. Those are all excuses of substandard performance over the course of a season or seasons. Purdue’s coach seemed to have a lot to say before the game and nothing after.

lastly, the rest of the conference(besides penn state) should be hoping that Ohio State v Michigan is two undefeated schools with this story continuing to swirl, with no action take yet. It would be one of the most watched games and one of the biggest college football stories possibly ever, especially if the Christopher Day involvement gains traction(if that’s even remotely true).

this sport has become about money, if the rest of the schools can’t see the positive impact it could have on money generation, then they truly are stupid trying to push for harsh penalties as fast as possible. Like it or not, crippling Michigan with punishment will send the conference in a further downward spiral at a time that may be unwise. Trust me, I don’t believe it’s “the right thing to do” from a moral and character side, but harming one of your helmet schools in this day in age will have far more impact than on solely that school.

So CJ Stroud, who carved up everyone he played, including the best defense in CFB ( Georgia) and is now carving up teams in the NFL, just sucked that day last year.  Against UM, who couldn’t stop Max Dugan, or their own shadow, the very next game they played.

The Heisman was his to win or lose that day. But if you watch that game now - with the ability to rewind and look closely- it was incredible how UM seemed to know with certainty not only if it was a run or pass, but on running plays, exactly where it was going, and on pass plays, exactly where the WRs are going.  My better half reminded me yesterday.  She said basically- you were so impressed with Michigan when they played OHio State last year. You said 3 or 4 times “ damn these guys are good/ it’s like they know what play we are running”. It’s fair for us to wonder now.   

But your taking the MDot angle- anyone who disagrees is an idiot. I get it. 

I agree with you on the money thing.  

But by letting this just slide- what is the impact of that?  

[SuperMario]

So CJ Stroud, who carved up everyone he played, including the best defense in CFB ( Georgia) and is now carving up teams in the NFL, just sucked that day last year.  Against UM, who couldn’t stop Max Dugan, or their own shadow, the very next game they played.

The Heisman was his to win or lose that day. But if you watch that game now - with the ability to rewind and look closely- it was incredible how UM seemed to know with certainty not only if it was a run or pass, but on running plays, exactly where it was going, and on pass plays, exactly where the WRs are going.  My better half reminded me yesterday.  She said basically- you were so impressed with Michigan when they played OHio State last year. You said 3 or 4 times “ damn these guys are good/ it’s like they know what play we are running”. It’s fair for us to wonder now. 

But your taking the MDot angle- anyone who disagrees is an idiot. I get it.

I agree with you on the money thing. 

But by letting this just slide- what is the impact of that? 

I never understand OsU fans when it comes to Stroud. I have good friends that dislike him and call him an osu failure. The guy threw for 350 yards and 2 touchdowns in the game and had a tremendous game. He sucked because OSU lost? Why do you guys continue to say he sucked when he lit it up. 

secondly, when have I ever taken the stance that if you disagree with me you’re an idiot? That’s not my personality at all. Anyone in my personal life and anyone that works for me would echo that I’m always the guy to hear out the other side or a different perspective. That being said, there are stances and positions in life that are idiotic. A conference wanting the #4 revenue generator in the country squashed is unwise.

so yes, if this was the SEC and Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Missouri were saying that Georgia or Bama should have crippling punishment in a similar situation, I’d call that mindset idiot that would harm the conference.

[Honestbuckeye]

I never understand OsU fans when it comes to Stroud. I have good friends that dislike him and call him an osu failure. The guy threw for 350 yards and 2 touchdowns in the game and had a tremendous game. He sucked because OSU lost? Why do you guys continue to say he sucked when he lit it up.

secondly, when have I ever taken the stance that if you disagree with me you’re an idiot? That’s not my personality at all. Anyone in my personal life and anyone that works for me would echo that I’m always the guy to hear out the other side or a different perspective. That being said, there are stances and positions in life that are idiotic. A conference wanting the #4 revenue generator in the country squashed is unwise.

so yes, if this was the SEC and Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Missouri were saying that Georgia or Bama should have crippling punishment in a similar situation, I’d call that mindset idiot that would harm the conference.

Yeah OSU fans in general- are out of their minds 

Don’t lump me in- I liked Stroud from the start.  He played well against UM and Georgia. 

But he could have thrown for 7 TDS against UM- but when you lose “ The Game” you lose the trophy. 

[SuperMario]

Yeah OSU fans in general- are out of their minds 

Don’t lump me in- I liked Stroud from the start.  He played well against UM and Georgia. 

But he could have thrown for 7 TDS against UM- but when you lose “ The Game” you lose the trophy.

But he didn’t and everyone is dismissing plays being made by Michigan players that are incredibly talented and saying they happened from knowing the play. It’s both possibly true and possibly credited to the talent of the player. And yes, I would agree part of crossing the line of sign stealing would be taking away the truth of knowing it… that’s if they crossed the line.

and yes, if osu fans don’t like CJ they are out of their mind. I simply don’t get it. It was tough to root against him based on his uniform. He’s incredibly talented, but also personally he seems like a great kid. He’s someone people should rally around, rather than egotistical punks that paint their nails with f-bombs on them.

[Cincydawg]

I think harm to the conference for penalizing a top program would be less than overlooking what could be a devastating cheating scandal.  And of course the NCAA has purview.

[Honestbuckeye]

Speaking of Stroud- he has thrown for 400 yards and 4 tds today- despite being sacked 3 times and harassed all day, and having quite a few passes not count because his lineman got called for holding.