2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Mdot21]

I actually don’t blame the brass at UM for pushing back on the BIG - if Michigan Insiders are accurate in saying the Big and the other ADs want Harbaugh’s head.  They are at best, premature and at worst, over thinking it.  Either way, they are barking up the wrong tree.

There has not been a single suggestion or “ leak” that suggests Harbaugh was involved, let alone any real evidence. 

The degree to which the coaches were involved- if at all- truly deserves a full investigation- however long that takes. You simply can’t personally punish coaches if you don’t have absolute facts to justify it.

I am confident that this “ overwhelming evidence” ( again, quoting Michigan insiders, not media) that this was a wide ranging, sophisticated sign stealing/ advance scouting operation still does not implicate the Head coach- because if it did, there is no way the UM brass could stand behind him.

Now one might say- if he didn’t know, he should have.  A credible question- but again, that is pure speculation.

Did CS buy these tickets to 35 games at 17 different stadiums over the last 2.5 seasons, and either hire or attend in person to film the future opponent’s signs?  That is the more urgent question due to its impact on the current season.

I have yet to hear anyone deny that. I think there is clear and obvious evidence of that-that is indisputable. It is my belief that the evidence of this was collected by the NCAA, and now shared with the Big.  Even Michigan fans are elated that CS won’t “ sing like a canary”.  Because they know he could potentially implicate coaches in the scheme.  There is no more investigating needed to answer this part of it. You have coaches and ADs all over the place that are saying publicly they have seen the receipts and the video.  You have people admitting they were paid to record signals of Michigan opponents. 

So that leaves the question of what if anything can be done about it.

Michigan fans can argue all they want that this did not provide an advantage during games. But that has and will continue to fall on deaf ears    The coaches at the other schools- and just common sense- tells you the answer.

So if this advance scouting and signal stealing provided a competitive advantage on even one signal play- the game results are tainted.

It is my opinion that all of UMs wins in 21, 22 and up to MSU this year, will eventually be vacated. There really isn’t much choice. 

I know most Um fans don’t give a rip about that. They just want finish out this season.  I am highly confident they will get there wish.

The other thing that might come up in the bigger investigation by the feckless NCAA, is potential Loss of Institutional Control. 

Michigan has recently parted ways with 4 football staff members for:

-computer crimes
-racist comments
-pedophile activity ( alleged)
- advance scouting/ signal stealing.

I think we are in for a long ride.  Then we can wait for the Netflix Documentary to be released and can argue about all of this- all over again

if the Netflix doc on Urbz and Florida is any indication, Netflix will just give Jeem full editorial control in order to get him involved in it and it’ll be nothing but a BS puff piece. 

[Honestbuckeye]

Ohio State has probably the craziest fan base in ‘Merica outside of SEC country. And even then they are in that crazy SEC territory.

If Ryan loses 3 in a row to Jeem- he’s coaching for his job vs Michigan in ‘24.

That’s one of the side irony’s in this. 

whether you and I agree- the OSU fan base ( at least the ones who post on forums) now consider Day to be 1-0 versus Michigan. 

[Honestbuckeye]

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Starting to sink in for certain people 

[Temp430]

Michigan would have crushed the bucknuts in 2020.

[SuperMario]

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Starting to sink in for certain people

I truly don’t understand how you follow up such a good post with this one.  Starting to sink because one article saying Jim should go? There were articles and fans saying Ryan Day should be fired last year after losing to Michigan.

just because there’s people out there trying to get clicks, doesn’t mean there opinionated statements have any weight at all.

[MrNubbz]

If Ryan loses 3 in a row to Jeem- he’s coaching for his job vs Michigan in ‘24.

Absolutely and even if he wins in '24 it will be almost pyrrhic as it will be vs a program losing a ton of talent that he previously couldn't defeat.Yup that last second loss to the NC Dawgs got him another 2 seasons.

[Honestbuckeye]

I truly don’t understand how you follow up such a good post with this one.  Starting to sink because one article saying Jim should go? There were articles and fans saying Ryan Day should be fired last year after losing to Michigan.

just because there’s people out there trying to get clicks, doesn’t mean there opinionated statements have any weight at all.

I don’t deny it’s all for clicks.   But that guy has been pro Um.  I think he is where many people will eventually be.  
 That’s all. 

[SuperMario]

I don’t deny it’s all for clicks.  But that guy has been pro Um.  I think he is where many people will eventually be. 
 That’s all.

I disagree. I think Michigan coaching and all the nonsense that went on behind the scenes with powerful alums and donors not supporting some of the previous hires, lead to a dumpster fire with RichRod and Hoke and fans hated that far worse than this.

As Michigan keeps winning, I’m willing to bet the support for Harbaugh grows even stronger. The only thing that will change that is damning evidence coming out with his involvement, which is certainly possible.

[Honestbuckeye]

I disagree. I think Michigan coaching and all the nonsense that went on behind the scenes with powerful alums and donors not supporting some of the previous hires, lead to a dumpster fire with RichRod and Hoke and fans hated that far worse than this.

As Michigan keeps winning, I’m willing to bet the support for Harbaugh grows even stronger. The only thing that will change that is damning evidence coming out with his involvement, which is certainly possible.

This could be what happens.  Who knows.  

[FearlessF]

This could be what happens.  Who knows. 

damning evidence coming out with his involvement

[Honestbuckeye]

damning evidence coming out with his involvement

No. No evidence comes out and media and UM brass support him- despite potential punishments by the NCAA.   Which I think is what SM was saying. 

[ELA]

https://twitter.com/JamesYoder/status/1720836458041225479?t=r4HsKU5BLg9EU1OyplCrBw&s=19

[Mdot21]

https://twitter.com/JamesYoder/status/1720836458041225479?t=r4HsKU5BLg9EU1OyplCrBw&s=19

win one for Connor! 

[medinabuckeye1]

 There were articles and fans saying Ryan Day should be fired last year after losing to Michigan.

To be fair, that was before people knew that Michigan was cheating.