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Topic: 2023 Michigan Season Thread

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Benthere2

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1218 on: November 02, 2023, 01:54:04 PM »
This might surprise you- but to a high degree, I agree with you.  Michigan cant respond to allegations if they don't know exactly what they are.  And contrary to popular opinion, the NCAA has not provided them with any of the evidence they may have collected. They have just interviewed them and asked for "stuff."    So from that standpoint- I agree with you.  The only evidence we know of is floating around in the media.
On the other hand the University does know  what Stalions role is/was.  It is almost assuredly true he bought the tickets to opponents games, (that info would not be out there if it were not factual and documented), and their seems to be video proof of people taping the signals for entire games. We have all seen video proof that he watches the opponents signs and relays -immediately-that info to the OC and DC- during a game.

This is unchartered territory for everyone- the NCAA, the Big, and even fans/coaches.  If the evidence proves to be true- it has had a HUGE impact on the integrity of this season as well as the last 2.  No other investigation has ever been around POTENTIAL, current  in- game misconduct that has such an immediate impact on so much of the CFB landscape.

Knowing the NCAA process will be after the fact regardless of how it turns out, it leaves it to the Michigan administration and/or the Big to get involved.

If your the BIG, do you just let the NCAA play out, knowing there is a strong POSSIBILITY that these games will be vacated, and anything UM accomplishes on the field wont count in the end? Thus, kind of screwing over other teams, both in and out of conference?  They certainly cant punish Michigan without hard evidence of wrongdoing- which they clearly dont have- at least yet.

What they should do- knowing what is at stake and it's immediate impacts on the current season, is go to the NCAA and say- where are you with this? Do you have any credible evidence of wrongdoing?  If yes- please share it with us.  If they do, and they hand it to the BIG- the BIG should then take it to UM and say- this is what we have so far.  How do you respond?

Based on that the BIG and UM should make some kind of announcement as to what their position is.  Like "at this time we dont have evidence to suggest we need to get involved" or "we have enough credible evidence to be convinced their was misconduct that impacted games, and here is what we (Or UM) are going to do at this time."
i would agree with you on this well thought out response.  it does seem like the big ten coaches would like an answer now before the end of the year I just don't like guilty until proven innocent.  but if the evidence is there and they are still digging up stuff for a better case, give what they have and lets see where it fall prior to the end of the year.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1219 on: November 02, 2023, 03:46:32 PM »
Big Ten football coaches frustrated with conference stance on Michigan: ‘We want something done now’: Sources

By Bruce Feldman and Nicole Auerbach

For the past two weeks, coaches across college football have been riveted by the alleged Michigan sign-stealing scheme, but inside the Big Ten, the topic has been more than just a curiosity. On Wednesday’s Big Ten coaches video call with commissioner Tony Petitti, and after Jim Harbaugh left the call, that frustration was voiced loud and clear, according to conference coaches, who said they don’t feel like the new Big Ten commissioner is “motivated” to do anything about the Wolverines.

“There is just a ton of frustration,” a Big Ten coach told The Athletic on Thursday morning. “Look at Jim Harbaugh’s record before this started. The guy was on the hot seat before 2021, and now he’s like the king of college football. … No doubt this all has had a profound effect.

“This guy’s being investigated for three different things now between the (alleged) illegal signal stealing, the (alleged) illegal recruiting during COVID and that investigation into the offensive coordinator and alleged computer hacking. There are guys (on that call) who could lose jobs, and then there’s this guy over here (Harbaugh) who is gonna get a new, bigger contract now, and they won’t do anything about him.”

Asked to describe the tone of the coaches’ sentiment expressed to Petitti, another Big Ten coach called it “angry” — particularly at the Big Ten’s lack of action, or even apparent interest in taking any.

“Everybody’s upset,” that coach told The Athletic. “Why is nothing being done? We want to know, what else do you need to know to take action? We (the Big Ten head coaches) want something done now. I don’t think people understand the advantage that what they’re (allegedly) doing gives you. People think, ‘OK, now that everybody knows, we all can just move on.’ Like, ‘now, it’s fair.’ Well, no, it isn’t. Not at all. This changes the way you operate. A lot of teams have been doing things a certain way for years. Now, it’s forcing you to teach your players a whole new way to communicate just for them. People think that this is just advanced scouting. This was damn near espionage.”

A third Big Ten head coach told The Athletic that this is “one of the most egregious breaches in the spirit of the game” he’s ever heard of.

“They (Michigan) have been manipulating the game and cheating the game for two-and-a-half years. To know exactly what the other team is doing, Michigan might as well have been playing with 15 guys on the field,” he said. “What’s the message the Big Ten is sending now by doing nothing? Win now, pay later? We might as well just send people to (scout) their practices and their games. It doesn’t encourage anybody to follow the rules. It’s just telling them to do the opposite and say, f— it.”

Michigan should be punished, say 94% of CFB coaches in our poll. What else did it reveal?

The NCAA is investigating Michigan’s football program amid allegations that the Wolverines used illegal in-person scouting and the recording of signals to steal signs this season. Ahead of the Michigan-Michigan State game on Oct. 21, the Big Ten approached MSU and said it was made aware of “credible evidence” regarding the sign-stealing allegations. The Big Ten said it would monitor the NCAA’s investigation into Michigan.

“The Big Ten is so much more powerful than the NCAA,” that third Big Ten coach said. “Why are you just sitting back and doing nothing about this? The Big Ten can’t pound its chest for the last 30 years about how it does the right thing ethically (when other conferences like the SEC won’t) and then have this go on. If this were a team in the bottom half of the Big Ten, would this be handled in the same way?

“When a running back gets hurt against Michigan because they knew exactly what play was coming, will that kid and his family have the ability to sue the Big Ten?”

The NCAA investigation is ongoing, a process that typically moves slowly, which makes it difficult to imagine it will reach a resolution by the time the postseason begins. The Big Ten does have the ability to act under its sportsmanship policy, but that doesn’t mean that it would want to act quickly or decisively before the NCAA completes its entire investigation and allows Michigan a chance to respond to its findings.

This is an unprecedented situation; whatever Petitti decides to do (or not do) will set a precedent. The Big Ten itself doesn’t have investigators, so it needs to rely upon the NCAA to do that part — and to determine who else was involved in the alleged scouting scheme. It’s not clear exactly what the coaches would want the league to do to punish Michigan; banning the team from competing in the Big Ten championship, for example, would harm players who had nothing to do with the sign-stealing apparatus.

A source briefed on the coaches’ call said Big Ten coaches are concerned about whether Michigan “should represent the Big Ten.”

“No matter what happens, if Michigan continues to move forward, the clouds will follow,” the source said. “They’re reading the tea leaves and wondering why the Big Ten hasn’t done anything yet. Every week and every day that goes by, people are like, ‘Something’s gotta give.’ It’s getting a little bit out of hand when you see him (allegedly) on the Central Michigan sideline. The playing field is not level right now. How can you have a team that you know has a competitive advantage over you still being allowed to play? That’s what the coaches are grappling with.”

“It feels like (former commissioner) Kevin (Warren) taking over and then COVID,” the source continued. “Tony’s walking into this situation, and people are calling for the league to make a statement before they have all the facts.”

Despite frustration from all corners of the conference, sources at four different Big Ten schools said they do not expect the conference to levy any sort of punishment against Michigan before the season ends.

Earlier this week, Central Michigan said it is investigating whether suspended Michigan staffer Connor Stalions was on the CMU sideline during the Chippewas’ Sept. 1 game at Michigan State. Screenshots of a person who looks similar to Stalions began circulating online Monday night, and The Athletic obtained more photos of the person on the sideline Tuesday.


Stalions, who was suspended with pay by Michigan on Oct. 20, is at the center of the NCAA’s investigation into the alleged scouting and sign-stealing scheme. Stalions bought tickets to games in at least seven Big Ten stadiums before those teams played the Wolverines over the past three seasons, including the 2023 season, sources told The Athletic last month. Purchasing the tickets is not a violation of NCAA rules, but using them to scout and record other teams would violate the rules, prohibiting in-person, on-campus scouting and the audio or video recording of signals.

On Monday, coach Jim Harbaugh met with reporters and said “the people that know us the most think the most of us” as Michigan faces the NCAA investigation. He has denied knowledge of the alleged scouting.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1220 on: November 02, 2023, 04:35:20 PM »
Klatt carrying water for Michigan/Harbaugh?

Yes Joel coaches are mad. And some of that “success” you’re making it sound like other coaches are jealous of came about because of Michigan’s elaborate sign stealing system.

Edit:

Yes Joel, coaches are understandably “mad.” The “success Michigan has had over the last two+ seasons” has a “direct relationship” to Michigan elaborately stealing their signs.


https://twitter.com/joelklatt/status/1720174955919536521
« Last Edit: November 02, 2023, 04:57:31 PM by CatsbyAZ »

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1221 on: November 02, 2023, 04:39:11 PM »
Klatt likes to take contrarian positions to other mediots.  And since the mediots are basically complete idiots, it makes him right, quite a bit of the time.  Whether intention or unintentional.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1222 on: November 02, 2023, 04:40:47 PM »
Klatt carrying water for Michigan/Harbaugh?

Yes Joel coaches are mad. And some of that “success” you’re making it sound like other coaches are jealous of came about because of Michigan’s elaborate sign stealing system.


https://twitter.com/joelklatt/status/1720174955919536521
That FOX "A" team has been slurping Harbaugh since Day 1.


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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1224 on: November 02, 2023, 04:48:41 PM »
Maybe, but you would never guess from listening to him that he didn't go to Michigan.  He makes Desmond Howard sound evenhanded
Eh, he sounds like that about every position he's taking.  Lots of folks think he's a huge Texas fan because he doesn't parrot all the insipid bullshit that all the other mediots love to brainlessly repeat, about how UT is the devil and caused every problem in college football and blah blah blah.

If you've ever seen any video of what the Texas defense did to him in the 2005 B12 CCG, you'd understand that he has absolutely NO reason to like the Horns.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1225 on: November 02, 2023, 04:52:04 PM »
And you also have to keep in mind that he's the official "Anti-SEC Voice" of Fox.  So while ESPN is busy slobbing all over the SEC knob and saying that the SEC probably deserves 11 out of 12 playoff spots every year, he's the one that's been tasked with debunking all of that stuff.

Right now in the B1G, his choices to counter the Cult of SEC, are either Michigan or tOSU.  tOSU has been successful forever, and Michigan has sucked for much of the past two decades but is finally looking respectable.

Pretty easy to see why he'd go with the Wolverines for his current list of hawt takes.
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1226 on: November 02, 2023, 05:01:26 PM »
Eh, those takes are back to 2015.  I don't think Big Ten games were even on Fox in 2015.  Everyone has their random take boners, his has just been Harbaugh for nearly a decade.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1227 on: November 02, 2023, 05:04:23 PM »
Eh, those takes are back to 2015.  I don't think Big Ten games were even on Fox in 2015.  Everyone has their random take boners, his has just been Harbaugh for nearly a decade.
Huh?

Fox was a founding partner of the BTN in 2006 and currently owns well over 50% of the BTN.  Of course they're going to pimp B1G schools.
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1228 on: November 02, 2023, 05:36:43 PM »
Yeah, I think Fox had the Big Ten Championship Game back then only.

And it's not even pimping Michigan or pimping the Big Ten.  It's oddly super pro-Harbaugh.  It's been a noted thing since at least 2018 on the interwbz.  His general Michigan takes are fine.  I wouldn't even describe him as pro-Michigan.  He's very pro Harbaugh specifically.  And a lot of those articles are Harbaugh vs. other Big Ten teams.  One in 2015 said he would beat MSU and OSU in his first year, another said he was already the best coach in the Big Ten in his first year.  So it's not even Harbaugh < SEC, it's Harbaugh < anything else the Big Ten has to offer

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1229 on: November 02, 2023, 06:25:28 PM »
OK I'll take your word for it.

But like I said, I've just seen a lot of his takes that are deliberately "anti-whatever-everyone-else-is-saying."  

And, since all of the other mediots are complete dumbasses, it makes him right a lot of the time.  Again, it's not that it's intentional or that he's super-smart.  It's just that everyone else is so completely wrong most of the time, that taking the opposite view, makes him right.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1230 on: November 02, 2023, 06:50:09 PM »
The damn alternate media out there fighting for the little guy.  Michigan and Texas

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1231 on: November 02, 2023, 06:56:05 PM »
Michigan fired some ballboy or something for trying to get with a 13 year old girl, so things continue to look up

 

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